Resource Distribution Update a “Shit Show”

2020-09-25

Art by Redline XIII

The next phase of CCP’s ore redistribution plan takes effect in mid-October, according to a devblog released today. In a devblog from March, CCP announced they would reduce the overall income potential of mineral extraction by committing to a three-step plan, consisting of phases called Shortage, Re-Distribution, and Dynamic Distribution.

In today’s announcement, CCP rolled out Phase 2 of their plan: Re-Distribution. This change designates certain security regions of space as the exclusive farming ground for specific minerals.

CCP’s goal is to create ‘Primary Supply Zones’

Tritanium will be exclusive to high-sec; Isogen and Nocxium exclusive to low-sec; and Zydrine, Megacite and Morphite exclusive to null-sec. CCP expect that this change will see more movement in low-sec, an increase in mining ship losses, more market transactions for minerals, an increase in refining income, and a change of mineral prices. At least the latter is already occurring, with Nocxium spiking heavily in price.

CSM Disdain

The announcement was met with almost universal disdain by current CSM members. Phantomite hates the change and the way that CCP told the CSM about it. That sentiment was echoed by others, including Vily, Torvald Uruz and Brisc Rubal. Uruz echoed the community’s sentiment, that the change is a “shit show.” Kenneth Feld, when asked about the CSM’s input on this change, said, “[the CSM’s] input wasn’t required or desired.” He said that there was no meeting in which the change was communicated. This is in stark contrast to the March devblog, in which CCP claimed that the initial communication was in cooperation with the CSM.

Goonswarm member Angry Mustache argued on Reddit that the change will disproportionally hit null-sec and Wormhole miners, and lead to non-rewarding gameplay in null-sec due to anomalies (which can be affected by players) still being less attractive than belts for mining. In the ensuing discussion, some had the impression that CCP was either not forthright in their communication, or did not do their research before planning this change.

If this change affects you, or you are interested in hearing more about it, CCP invites players to tune in to CCP’s Twitch stream today, at 18:00 EVE, where they will discuss the changes with The Bastion executor Carneros and veteran market trader Caleb Ayrania. 

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Comments

  • What the actual, and I cannot stress this enough, fuck is going on at CCP?

    September 25, 2020 at 4:51 PM
    • Baal Alizabeth

      My fingers are hovering over the unsubscribe button. This change is way to big and nukes my game play entirely (aka my reason for paying).

      September 25, 2020 at 5:04 PM
  • TommyShifter

    It’s a pretty bad change. I think it hits the small guys the worst and makes it to where they won’t want to do much, the high sec folks will have a grand ol time selling trit on the market though

    September 25, 2020 at 5:05 PM
    • Undeadenemy TommyShifter

      They wont. The null blocs will just roll alts or go up there on their mains and push the HighSec people out. Null isn’t going to starve, everybody not aligned with Null will.

      September 25, 2020 at 10:27 PM
      • Garreth Vlox Undeadenemy

        Null doesn’t have to go anywhere, all they have to do is place an embargo on shipping Zydrine, megacyte, and morphite to highsec and watch the Jita ship market implode. This is the is round two of the tech bottle neck, the new cartel will be around controlling the high end mineral supply

        September 26, 2020 at 12:17 AM
  • Guilford Australis

    My understanding from current and former CSMs is that (1) they exist primarily to explain to CCP how their game actually works, (2) they spend an incredible amount of time developing ideas for CCP, only to learn previous CSMs have been pitching the same ideas without response for many years, (3) CCP doesn’t have the development capacity to implement meaningful change, and (4) after all the meetings are over, the devs just wander back into their offices and keep working on whatever they were already doing.

    September 25, 2020 at 5:45 PM
  • Alaric Faelen

    CCP is in another downward spiral. Clearly the staff in Iceland is not up to the task of running this game. I have said for years that CCP lost it’s best talent (mostly to Riot Games) and never recovered. Despite almost 2 decades of experience, CCP continues to demonstrate they don’t remotely know how the game is played, why people play it, or how to make any change that isn’t basically walked back or ‘fixed’ by players having to do the development for them.

    CCP is also bent on ridding themselves of the CSM. Choosing instead to develop a game via Reddit rants than with the guidance of players at the high end of the game.

    It’s funny how so little changes until there is a big war and suddenly CCP becomes super active and wants to make major changes…..ones that more often than not seem to benefit a certain null sec coalition. Remind me again what alliance Raivi came from…..
    Despite the biggest war in years and ‘new content’ I’ve never been closer to unsubbing and cutting my losses with Eve.
    It’s not CCP making anything happen in the game, it’s the players. And what do those players get? Terrible sov mechanics, soul crushing TiDi, boring timer based EVERYTHING, and resource ‘fixes’ that are anything but.

    CCP should have bought less cocaine with that Korean buyout money and instead hired better developers.

    September 25, 2020 at 9:16 PM
  • Rhivre

    Can you elaborate on the first part?

    September 26, 2020 at 12:32 AM
  • Moomin Amatin

    I think this is a brilliant move by CCP.

    The Imperium has a history of bringing up broken game mechanics in a way that CCP find hard to ignore. Generally the rule is, if the goons are doing a lot of it then we need to stop them. This is sensible as the brain trust within The Imperium is simply vast and deep.

    Perhaps this can be put in better terms. The Imperium is not here to save your game, it is here to save the game. So do not panic good folk of New Eden, The Imperium is again hard at work to ensure that CCP can give you the VALUE you deserve.

    September 26, 2020 at 1:02 AM
    • Rammel Kas Moomin Amatin

      Only about 2+ years after the Delve Miracle though. And now sadly they are pulling the ladder up before the majority of alliances got there. :thunking:

      September 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM
      • Moomin Amatin Rammel Kas

        Yes, The Imperium did quite well for itself after being told it would never form a fleet of more than 200 ships ever again. UALX, X47, Tribute and more I am sure demonstrated how The Imperium works. To not notice is weird and I have no doubt that out of all the groups The Imperium will be least hit by these changes.

        September 26, 2020 at 1:35 PM
        • Garreth Vlox Moomin Amatin

          If anything I would expect us to profit from them, any united effort to exploit the mineral market after this change will be much easier to pull off and much farther reaching than previously possible. Imagine if nullsec agreed to a modern version of the Tech cartel rules regarding Morphite? The entire rest of the game would be at the mercy of the whatever the price fixers felt like setting the price too.

          September 27, 2020 at 12:39 AM
  • Simon Chui

    Once again, a change that hurts large null groups the least. The null blocs have the organisation and manpower to operate in low and highsec space if they need to. Highsec players can do what? Go mine in npc null? More like be someone else’s content. If the big null groups form a cartel, or if panfam completely wins the war, they can choke off the supply of null minerals. The flow of null minerals into highsec can be stopped, the reverse can not.

    September 26, 2020 at 1:54 AM
  • Havish Montak

    Welcome to bots mining all the hisec belts of ore straight after downtime and controlling the economy and price. Botters have won guys.

    September 26, 2020 at 8:36 AM
    • Rankin Bass Havish Montak

      They never even started to lose.

      October 6, 2020 at 1:10 AM
  • Falin Whalen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0&ab_channel=darkchia00

    September 26, 2020 at 1:40 PM
  • hanabal

    Ccp want to make it hard to make caps again but they have to figure out a way to do it without ass fucking all industry which is what this patch does who the fuck wants to start paying 400 mill for a fucking t1 battleship cause at this rate that’s what’s gonna happen it seems like they really do t have any idea how industry works at all and like people have been saying for ages a much better fix is just changing what is needed to make capitals on the bpos rather then hitting literally everything across the board with a nerf sledgehammer jesus fucking christ ccp wtf are you doing

    September 27, 2020 at 1:10 PM
    • Garreth Vlox hanabal

      Yeah that was my initial reaction too. If you want to make caps rarer, simply increase the BPO mineral cost or add moon minerals to the build requirements. What they did fucks everyone from T1 faction warfare pilots to titan pilots in mega coalitions

      September 29, 2020 at 10:23 PM
  • Alaric Faelen

    None of this will hurt the null alliances, as we have the ways and means to not only overcome but capitalize from the changes.
    Null doesn’t care about the market value of trit, for us it is a ship building commodity. So we can happily crash the market value by selling anything we don’t ship back to null sec for peanuts. Profit isn’t the concern for null sec, ship building is. Crashing the market value by dumping trit for pennies will just be a by product of null sec becoming active high sec miners. If care bears cried about having to share belts with diamond NPCs, now they will also be run off by null sec groups eating those belts and selling excess trit just to get rid of it.
    It also gives null sec every reason to become highly active in high sec with mass ganking operations, locust type fleets that strip whole systems bare at a time, stealing structures, and manipulating the map via triglavian content.
    All the things that will decimate smaller groups that lack the ability to compete.
    CCP isn’t making null sec dependent on high sec, it is pushing us into competition with high sec….and high sec stands zero chance of competing against the organization and might of null sec.

    September 28, 2020 at 3:05 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Alaric Faelen

      “and manipulating the map via triglavian content.” This right here is going to be the good part, imagine goons or literally any large nullsec group taking the time to make sure any invasion near their space flips to trigalvian space to keep highsecers from being able to mine there.

      September 29, 2020 at 10:11 PM
  • Garreth Vlox

    How are you going to get high-end minerals without the mega coalitions either selling it to you at whatever price they name or allow you to mine in their space?

    September 29, 2020 at 10:03 PM
  • Beátrisz

    Sorry, I’m not playing EVE anymore for a long time, just read this news nowdays.

    How will a big null block export enough tritanium to null sec? An avarage cruiser made of 5500 m3 trinatnium. An avarage battlecruiser is 23k m3, BS around 90k m3.
    Ark cargo capacity 135,000 m3, maybe double if skilled, i don’t know.

    That means 1 Rorgual neeeds around 10 or more full Jump freighter in just carrying Tritanium.

    Even just to make small ships, for a large Alliance, it requires extreme amount of carry to null sec from high-sec. And we didn’t counted low-sec minerals yet.
    Even for a big alliance to organise fleets and roams is not so easy, plus asteroid belts reset time is usually not the main gametime, so it will also be a run for the clock.

    My guess it will hurt very much for the large blocks.

    September 30, 2020 at 10:51 AM
    • Alaric Faelen Beátrisz

      It might hurt new blood or start ups. But for one the big alliances have huge stockpiles of resources already, and alts all over New Eden. So even if it hurt null sec…eventually….it will come long after the changes have crushed everyone else.

      Secondly, it will simply put an end to large scale conflict as no one will risk their fleets on anything but assured victory. We are happily throwing capitals at each other now because they are easy to replace. Once they aren’t–then risk aversion becomes the rule of the day. You’ll see even more instances of 200 pilots in a fleet, sitting around while the FC crunches numbers, then standing down if there is even a remote chance of losing. If we cant afford to lose lots of ships, we will stop risking them.

      Lastly, null sec folks can easily operate in high sec between alts and the fact that CCP has been making it safer and safer for years. But those high sec players mostly have never even been in a .4 or below system and will be totally dependent on null sec to export minerals.
      The mineral shortage will very much be a one way street, with high sec at the mercy of low an null sec.
      This might inconvenience null sec, but it will starve high sec of minerals that high sec players are unwilling or incapable of getting for themselves.

      September 30, 2020 at 9:56 PM
      • Beátrisz Alaric Faelen

        How huge are those stockpiles? As i see in recent wars, trillions of ISK destroyed, 200.000 ships. I wonder how much those stickpiles will last? And how big alliances will hire enough transporters to move trit or veldspar to null. If they need at all, or they have to split industry to make hulls in lowsec or highsec. But then there will be a transporting issue again. And transporting prices are high, and i guess not so many people doing big scale hauling.
        Another issue i thought is: When i was in a big alliance some years ago and we were on mining ops, there was a lot of people, that’s true, but most of them were not so experienced, and a smaller group could easily distrupt big mining ops, especially when there was no people to drop some capital to save us. And it will be so easy to do harhass in low-sec. Especially if you can only mine in belts. So I doubt it will be easy just to go with alts and mine sometimes.

        Second point i agree with you, ship prices will be so high, that this will end the capital era in some way. But i think it will be good for smaller, organised alliances to make bigger damage to the big whales. My guess is also that these smaller alliances can export to high-from null to feed the markets, no matter if big ones planning to make embargo.

        Anyway, these changes and the new era will be interesting.

        October 1, 2020 at 12:08 PM
        • Alaric Faelen Beátrisz

          Good points but…
          For one the stockpiles are huge, and now leadership will simply be far more risk averse when considering a fight. Pretty much if there is any risk of losing, they simply aren’t going to engage. We already see this before the changes, with vily not taking a fight that he literally outnumbered Goons 2 to 1 or better for…..reasons….
          Take that level of risk aversion and add the pressure of not being able to replace whelped ships. Pretty much everything CCP does to promote conflict has the exact opposite effect.

          This is especially bad considering the sheer amount of grinding required under FozzieSov. Grinding timer after timer with pretty much no hope of a fight is no way to sell a game. No one does the grind because it’s fun, all these timers are meant to create fights- and already fail at that with the VAST majority of timers and structure bashes going uncontested.
          As for mining– we already had endless ratting and the big alliances mine in giant fleets with supercap coverage. So the big alliances will just keep on doing what they already do, but small alliances that can’t get 300 people online at a time to both mine and run a cover fleet are just out of luck. So yes, it will be easier to interfere with the small guys, but it’s business as usual for the super powers. Whether it’s low sec or null sec won’t matter, as long as it’s in range of a bridger or JB network.
          And I don’t know why anyone in high sec thinks we will just be buying their ore. GSF alone has better than 10000 members, with two alt slots per. We can simply swarm high sec belts, run gank fleets to chase off anyone smaller than us, then dump any excess trit on the market for peanuts, utterly crashing the price. This change just makes it in our interests to gank every hauler or miner we come across in high sec. Meanwhile those high sec care bears will be helpless as they sure aren’t about to go to low or null sec. It will be even worse if pandafam wins this war and completes their blue donut, totally dominating the market for null sec ores. At least with opposing superpowers in null it’s hard to embargo or price fix as the other side can swoop in and sell anyway. Once all of null sec is blue…they can simply choke high sec of null/low materials.

          It won’t be the lone or small group care bears exporting to null sec, it will be null sec people exporting to themselves while shooting the competition out of the sky.

          We’ll see. But at this point player confidence in CCP is at an all time low. Maybe it’s bittervet syndrome, but I have very little faith that CCP knows what it’s doing. They very much seem to be flailing about, undoing what they thought was a brilliant idea last month. They were the ones that pushed for ‘self-sufficiency’ and ‘live in your own space’…..but now they are reversing that course with half baked ideas.

          October 1, 2020 at 2:24 PM
  • Alaric Faelen

    CCP just doesnt know what they want Eve to be. They pushed for self-sufficiency as a ‘fix’ and now complain that we’re too self sufficient. Pick one and leave it alone.

    CCP continues to develop Eve based on one group of players. Null Sec. Everyone else is paying for a sub so null sec can be the devs focus. If I were not a null sec player myself, I would have left Eve ages ago. I sure wouldn’t pay to play a game where I was at best an after thought and at worst just another resource for null sec to take advantage of.
    Virtually everything CCP does is focused on how null sec plays Eve. Everyone else is just along for the ride.

    September 30, 2020 at 9:38 PM
  • Berth Ljunggren

    CCP just said in the stream they do not wan’t players to be self sufficient.
    I run my own corp with my alts, i do mining and refining and building up to regular capitals and the medium stations, it is rough since the low sec station i live in has 30% refining and removing half the ore in my belts will not make it easier, and the fact i could build like one capital per month is not exactly destroying the economy of EVE.

    October 2, 2020 at 5:38 PM
  • Christian Cuneo

    QQ from the big boys

    February 3, 2021 at 8:41 PM