Resist the Blue Donut


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The Blue Donut is coming for you. Whether you are an ally of the Imperium as they fight their last stand in Delve, an independent small alliance, or even a smaller PAPI member – they are coming. Ever since this war started with the rhetoric of extermination and expansion, the writing has been on the wall. This massive coalition is after one thing, galactic supremacy, covering the stars in renters, bots, and blues. This is the death of content.

When PAPI first formed under the mixed pretext of removing the Imperium from EVE Online, most shrugged. The Imperium held four regions. It had one of the largest super capital fleets in the game. Yet, nearly one year later, they have been reduced to one constellation. The PAPI leaders told us all they were here to exterminate the Goonswarm and their influence; yet beneath this vitriol lay an even worse objective – one of pacification of the entire galaxy.

At first they came for the Imperium

The Galaxy was alive with content. Assembling an armada never seen before in this game, the combined might of Test Alliance Please Ignore, Pandemic Horde, Fraternity, Northern Coalition and 100 other alliances descended upon their rival superpower. The tactic was simple: overwhelm the Imperium with numbers, shatter their allies, and methodically destroy their Keepstars one by one. Let’s not be under any illusions. All alliances in the game have enemies, and none more so than Goonswarm. Everyone enjoyed the content; even non-participants watched the fights on news stations across New Eden. The writing was on the wall, but no one seemed able to read it. What would happen if PAPI actually beat the Imperium?

Progodlegend (PGL) and his fellow exterminators stated early that PAPI would live as long as Goons remained a threat. Not everyone believed him at first, but as the noose tightened around the Imperium capital of 1DQ1-A, the truth was there to see; Goons were not leaving, and their grudges were now written in blood. “TEST is next,” The Mittani said, and whilst the spirit of revenge echoed through the Imperium ranks, it was also heard in PAPI headquarters. Vily knew that if TEST were to survive, whatever outcome the war brought, PAPI must remain together. The idea was reiterated as recently as this week in Town Hall conducted by PGL: PAPI will hunt Goons across the galaxy wherever they go. So, even the complete takeover of all Imperium space will not be enough for PAPI. Is the writing on the wall clarifying now? PAPI will chase Goons, and thereby remain blue, as long as there are Goons, which will be forever.

The Blue Donut of Winter Co. PanFam & Legacy encircles the galaxy.

Then they came for the Freemen.

Whilst the conflict in Delve raged on, Fraternity looked to its own borders. The Freemen of the North, consisting of Rote Kapelle, Toilet Paper, and a few other groups, occupied systems in Vale and Geminate.  Small independent alliances joined forces to resist the onward push of Fraternity and Winter Coalition. Fighting outnumbered, and without any large alliance support, who were all fixed in the south, these smaller alliances rebelled against their larger neighbor’s demands. “Babies Not Bots,” they screamed in their propaganda. Yet, they could not resist the tide and after a few valiant actions they were overwhelmed.

The Freemen live on now, the aforementioned alliances were displaced away from their homes and now seek refuge in neighbouring regions. After the conflict Fraternity leader Noraus said to INN that they “will rest a bit, while regaining strength we lost during wwb2″. But Fraternity is not done with their quest for lebensraum yet.

Then they came for Volta.

Despite claims that they were not expanding anymore Winter Co. have just begun a campaign against We Form Volta. Living in Deklein, Fade & Pure Blind this unaffiliated alliance occupied the territory left vacant by the collapse of Conifers. This past week they have seen Fraternity begin a campaign to remove them from their homes. What is more concerning to all citizens of New Eden is that they were supported by their allies Pandemic Horde and Northern Coalition. Fraternity cracked the whip and 500 pilots took a break from the 1DQ siege and flew north to swamp the outnumbered Volta warriors.

Where will the Fraternity expansion stop? With their rivals fixed in a hellwar that may never end and their allies unconcerned about their unchecked growth there is nothing stopping them from claiming the entire north and north west of New Eden. There is only one purpose here, to establish a rental empire like no other.

The Blue Donut controls 70% of the population of NS.

And then they came for me.

There are independent alliances out there who do not want to be a part of a big coalition. That is respected, they take the risk. But these groups must now start to look over their shoulder. Many are already starting to feel the sticky grip of the blue donut surrounding them. Rekking Crew, the Provi coalition have ties to PAPI but are not allies, they regularly drop on BRAVE ships and structures. How long until Dunk Dinkle calls in favours from Gobbins & Vince to eliminate the threat to his alliance?

Triumvirate. have been isolated from the war in their home of Cloud Ring but if VOLTA folds under pressure from FRT & their allies they are next on the chopping block. It doesn’t stop there. FI.RE a member of the PAPI coalition who have not been pulling their weight yet own sovereignty over three regions – what happens when Pandemic Horde start asking them for payments in order to protect your space? This is how it all starts.

And there was no one left.

PAPI may try and hide this from their line members but they are actively participating in the murder of EVE Online. No one wants Serenity Mk2. The Imperium may not be the ally you want, but it stands against this menace and will do so until PAPI is destroyed. There are two outcomes of this war, either the Imperium prevails or PAPI turns the galaxy into a rental bot empire. Alliances of all sizes, even groups in High Sec & Low Sec who can feel the oppression of TTT upon their trading, need to start thinking about the future.

It is time for all citizens of New Eden to resist. To join an organised Resistance against this dark blue future. If you are a renter and are fed up of paying for nothing, resist. If you are a low sec group that wants to keep fights fun but doesn’t want to be hot dropped by Fraternity every time you undock a capital, resist. If you are a null sec alliance who hates Goons but are seeing that blue sov map creeping towards your home, resist. It is now or never. Mount up, wings align, lock s-foils, do what needs to be done to stop this menace. The Imperium will hold them in Delve. It is time to do your part to “save the game”.

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  • Gilmar

    Well, how much of the Imperium is also a secret botting empire? Are not all big alliances run by small groups of friends with irl bonds? One is a fool to think they could jump in and join any of these cliques without years of dedication before informal irl indoctrination.

    Bots and alt wars aside, this post reads like an honest call for help. I have been playing solo for over seven/eight months, on the fence about joining this or that corp or alliance. I am slowly realizing that any of the info I am reading online about these groups of dinguses is likely counterinel at best, and at worst: bursts of emotionally-charged pathology. I get enough of that from others irl thank you, no need in vidya.

    This just feels emotional now. This isn’t a fun war or fun game to play. I don’t mean EvE, I mean the game lots seem to choose to play on it. I love the games I play on EvE and will likely choose to form my own group some day, small as can be, and with a single perpetual goal in mind (unrelated).

    I know that groups like the Imperium will always exist and I will be happy to offer my emotional support from a distance. Y’all need the kind of marriage counseling help that line members and new recruits cannot offer. Good luck and I hope to see Goons in the game forever!

    May 27, 2021 at 7:53 AM
    • Rammel Kas Gilmar

      Actually none of the Imperium pre-war alliances or corporations were on the now infamous pie chart graph of shame for botting-related bans which CCP published via a tweet. Note: CCP’s Team Security provided that hard point of data. So I think that answers your aspersion of botting being everywhere. No, it has been shown to NOT be the case.

      We’ve also noticed that there is a very alarming near-100% co-incidence between bot-related bans on the chart and those alliances who do rental models of income. It is baked into the deals these groups strike to turn a blind eye toward whatever their renters want to do in that space. They don’t want to bother really managing it. It’s only an extortion racket for the ISK. So that’s where and why bots exist there.

      Also please don’t fall into the emotions of a hot war. Some players are always going to become invested in them. This is normal. I think Dunk Dinkle pointed out there has been no EVE Fanfest or Vagas events so they haven’t had chance to just share drinks and decompress in over a year. You can fight these wars without needing to full dive into meta play.

      Finally there is a pattern emerging from what PAPI have been doing behind their front lines, which the author here is pointing out. They have been trying to shush this story and the smaller groups they are squashing out don’t really have a platform or voice in wider circulation. At best I’ve seen a despondent reddit AAR where the Freemen group had to announce they were withdrawing. Norhaus forced them to do this for him no less. So this story is not without it’s data points and has some potential for generating future meta play.

      May 27, 2021 at 8:09 AM
    • Moomin Amatin Gilmar

      This is no cry for help. It is a cry to those who want to fight in a war to get in. Who cares what side as well. This is the defining war of our age and of the server so far. Nothing like it has been seen before.

      The phrasing of “blue-donut-rental” vs “strong-independent-alliances” is as good a story as any. Especially as you can open a map and see what is really happening for yourself. Choose as you see fit after that. Do you want to serve the rental empire or resist “extermination”? You can always just sit on the sidelines and look on of course.

      I think you are right about the emotion though. It is an indicator of sorts. People are feeling the pressure but as a goon this recent “siege phase” is only making me hopeful of a few grindfests. I had an extra 7 months plus to prepare for the defense of 1DQ, got some stuff to blow up. We are 5 weeks in to the “siege” with no results for PAPI. Not even a single structure of theirs stands operational in 3-D. There is pressure, but not as a goon (well not even close to the same degree).

      May 27, 2021 at 9:02 AM
      • Elthar Nox Moomin Amatin

        This guy gets it! We must resist!!

        May 27, 2021 at 9:59 AM
      • Majestic Moomin Amatin

        Why Goons diplomats dont come forward to smaller and bigger alliances to coordinate war vs Frat?
        This war WWB2 could morph info whole server war. “Afgooonistan VS botting/RMT empires”.

        Pl+Legacy cant do anything in Delve without a help from Frat. We saw it already. They dont have enough bodies. If Freemen and Wolta and Initiative + others will constantly harrass North, Frat will never come to Delve to help PAPI. I’m not saying to whelp fleets on North. But to harass infractructure, logistic routes, flip IHUBs etc. FRAT territory is too vast to defend it successfully.

        Just thoughts to your diplomats.

        May 27, 2021 at 6:05 PM
        • William Doe Majestic

          From an outsider’s perspective I do think it’d be best for the Imperium to ally with 3rd party groups to deal with the likes of FRT. I believe INIT even supported Freemen of the North when they were doing guerilla strikes against FRT too.

          Though looking long-term after this war. I think for diplomatic purposes it may be in the Imperium’s best interests to at least be neutral to FRT as they’re one of the biggest coalitions that isn’t PanFam or Legacy. If the Imperium can work out a NIP/NAP with them post-WWB then it’d be one less group of people to deal with as they deal with TEST.

          May 28, 2021 at 1:18 AM
          • Majestic William Doe

            FRT is ally to PanFam. It’s their neighboor and botting partner. They will not change sides,

            May 28, 2021 at 8:28 AM
          • William Doe Majestic

            I never said they’d change sides. I’m well aware they’re practically butt-buddies with PanFam and why the combination of the both is colloquially known as PanDaFam. I’m just thinking that out of the three major blocs FRT is the closest to getting a NIP/NAP with the Imperium. Legacy is on the Imperium’s shitlist now (TEST is next), and PanFam has a long storied history against the Imperium. WinterCo/FRT don’t necessarily have a history or a massive grudge against the Imperium compared to the other two.

            Think about it this way. FRT can be put into a position where some day in the future they may grow big enough to maintain their independence even from PanFam that they don’t need to follow lockstep with every decision PanFam makes. For Norhaus it could be advantageous for him to say to test and PanFam they can go follow and try to kill the Imperium if they want post-war, but FRT won’t butt in in regards to that and just mind their own business. They’ve pretty much acted this way during the war by expanding their holdings up north during the war, they can do the same post-war.

            May 28, 2021 at 10:18 AM
          • Majestic William Doe

            Dunno. Too many “ifs” here.
            Any big group will collapse under constant pressure, maintaining enormous territory and be surrounded by barbarians on every front. Look at Roman Empire, and what happened to them. They were conquered by inferiour tribes.
            Same story with Legacy. They were on werge of collapse before WWB2, so they needed the way out from their internal crisis pain and suffering. WWB2 was the answer to it. They postponed their disbandment for 1 year.

            May 28, 2021 at 1:37 PM
    • Democritus Gilmar

      The reality,
      XIX are universally known as ISK for $$$ traders and have been for a long time
      FRT not much different, though I only know about XIX first hand.
      Now you have PL, sandwiched happily between these two entities running their own rental empire happily allied to these two entities. I’m sorry if I start to draw similar conclusions about PL when they happily team up with these people.

      May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM
    • Malcanis Gilmar

      “How much of the Imperium is a secret botting Empire”?

      Well given that the Imperium’s space holdings are 1 heavily contested constellation, I’m going to go with ‘none’.

      You can handwave this away as a “call for help” all you like (Oh no! Our numbers are going up and papi’s are going down and even PGL has admitted losing a fight! Help!) but you can’t argue the facts on Dotlan.

      May 27, 2021 at 1:11 PM
    • Arrendis Gilmar

      Well, how much of the Imperium is also a secret botting empire? Are not all big alliances run by small groups of friends with irl bonds?

      No. Goonswarm promotes people to positions within the Directorate based on competence and performance. I have never met any of the others within the directorate offline*. I’ve only met one former director offline, and that was after he’d left the directorate, and well after I’d been promoted.

      * – though, that may change this year. Strongly considering going to Vegas this year after surviving the bullshit that was 2020.

      May 27, 2021 at 1:47 PM
    • Xelistren Gilmar

      The goons are about as antibot as antibot can get from my experience. In EE we have warred and won 3 times while out-manned, out-financed, and out-skilled, just because we found evidence that a neighbor was using bots. The last major war I actively participated in for EE goons we were out numbered 5 to 1 against a heavy bot using coalition that actually had around 100 players. Yea we could have done what they did, but there is no fun when you are fighting with an overwhelming real player base and bot base.

      May 27, 2021 at 2:19 PM
  • EVE Player #27482716

    Good piece Elthar. More coverage of what’s going on behind the scenes with these smaller groups losing space would help illustrate that this isn’t spin and needs to be addressed.

    May 27, 2021 at 10:46 AM
  • Noob

    How is the blue donut not just N+1 on an alliance scale?

    May 27, 2021 at 10:47 AM
    • Zaand Noob

      It’s not N+1, it’s N×3, and somehow they still manage to suck and lose every time we defend.

      May 27, 2021 at 7:08 PM
  • Seir Luciel

    The Mittani recently said: “There appears to be, I don’t want to call it a full blown split, but its like something is weird with what Fraternity is doing, Fraternity is off going and attacking Pure Blind and doing their own thing. And there is chaoses beginning to emerge, and I think that is very good. Because the pubbies are finding out that if you blue the entire galaxy for almost a year, well that’s just not so sustainable.”

    In other words, The Mittani is expressing his doubt that “pubbies” can “sustain” the blue donut; this is effectively restating one of my main assertions in “The Serenity Superstition that there is no long term threat.

    Supporting this sentiment, Progodlegend recently stated “No, there will not be a permenant alliance with PanFam. This will absolutely beak apart at some point after the war. And we wouldn’t have had to it any other way. We wouldn’t have agreed to it if this was supposed to become one big permanent thing.”

    Leaders on both sides have expressed major doubts, as well as outright rejections, that the Goon invented blue donut narrative represents the future of EVE Online.

    May 27, 2021 at 4:56 PM
    • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

      Legacy is already prepared to be thrown under the bus and they are going to go willingly as Vily and Piggles have told them everything is all OK. This is what Mittens was refering to in my mind. Now look at the map again. How would that change things really with regard to the rest of null? Fountain would be small Legacy alliances it seems. Then FIRE are seemingly soaking up space in the east towards Catch. That will be PanDaFam controlling from Cloud Ring all the way to the likes of Immensea.

      I put it to you that if you look at the history of NC you will see a bunch of the most risk averse players in the game. At least in recent history. I have never seen them act alone or take any risk in any action since I started playing the game. They always have others doing stuff from them in one way or another. Think of all the rental income over the years and how many supers they should have with that income. Until you even start to put some numbers on a napkin about that you cannot see the massive wealth that should be present. Now why was all of that not in NC? Why was XDeath/Fire running the NC rental program? There is a lot you are missing out here for the whole history.

      May 27, 2021 at 5:55 PM
      • Majestic Moomin Amatin

        Where are all the wealth from NC/XDeath/Fire/Frat? In RMT and RMT-alliances leaders houses.
        Wealth can’t just dissapear miraculously. It morphed into $$$ years ago and continue to this day.
        Thats why they can’t do anything vs even when they combine their forces. Coz Goons invested their wealth into Titans, Supers and infrastructure, while PAPI were busy with RMT operations under CCP nose.

        May 27, 2021 at 7:04 PM
    • Zaand Seir Luciel

      How many times do your leaders have to repeatedly tell you that they have no intention of breaking up the blue donut until Goons are removed from the game before you start believing them?

      Unsustainable? It’s been 11 months and counting? But any day now, right. You better hope the blue donut doesn’t disband, because the day after that happens is the day Legacy finds out what its like to fight a war against even numbers of incredibly motivated bees.

      May 27, 2021 at 7:06 PM
      • Seir Luciel Zaand

        How many times do you have to hear contrary evidence to your Serenity Superstition before you concede there are more influences acting on EVE’s politics than solely those tending towards consolidation?

        The problem is that Goons have a great deal to lose if they start admitting their superstition isn’t true. They have created a whole ideological apparatus based around PAPI being evil and bad for the game; its a narrative with a great deal of capital during war time and when fighting for survival. I don’t blame Goons for erecting such an idol; even if its “truthiness,” as Moomin would say, starts to develop cracks.

        I’m sure many have a true and sincere faith this this Serenity Superstition; but if I were a Goon who started to doubt it, I would still find a great deal to be gained by perpetuating the myth in such a dire time. Goon’s chances may very well be improved by people believing Goons are the last hope for a content rich EVE, regardless of the evidence. Goons can use all the ideological/meta-gaming ammunition they can muster right now.

        May 28, 2021 at 2:37 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

          “How many times do you have to hear contrary evidence to your Serenity Superstition before you concede there are more influences acting on EVE’s politics than solely those tending towards consolidation?”

          Probably as many times as you guys hand waved away vily’s claim this war was to be our extinction in game?

          May 29, 2021 at 3:37 AM
          • Seir Luciel Garreth Vlox

            The two aren’t related. If you are serious, it means you are less interested in the truth and more interested in getting back at PAPI, tit for tat: willing to say something inaccurate, and convince others in the community of it, so long as it sticks a thorn in PAPI’s side.

            Another way to say it (if you don’t actually believe sincerely in this superstition) is lying for spite.

            Goons have a lot to be angry and spiteful about, and I get that. But pushing something against evidence for spite alone isn’t the best way to channel that. Simply repeating victories on the battlefield like the one you had earlier is the better option.

            May 29, 2021 at 2:07 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

            “But pushing something against evidence for spite alone isn’t the best way to channel that.”

            What evidence? Your say so? I’ll take your leaders word on how long they will stay blue to force the imperium out of the game over your personal opinion on the matter, because they call the shots and you don’t.

            May 30, 2021 at 12:02 AM
          • Seir Luciel Garreth Vlox

            I just quoted one of my leaders, and yours as well. Scroll up and look, since they call the shots.

            May 30, 2021 at 2:40 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

            So you quote your leaders when they say something that benefits your spin efforts, but you handwave away their quote when they say the goal of the war is to exterminate goons and drive them from the game. Got it.

            May 30, 2021 at 7:39 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            “less interested in the truth and more interested in getting back at PAPI”

            The whole war is built on a lie. One that PAPI members refused to even acknowledge as possible. Instead PAPI derided Imperium members and called them all manner of things. Now we have PAPI talking of “Wardens” and Frat “securing” space in the north.

            Why do you insist that Goons are “angry” and “spiteful” when so many are just rolling with laughter at PAPI members still trying to defend their “war of extermination”? Are you being honest here? Are you looking for the “truth”? Are you actually “angry” and “spiteful” about an interaction you have had with The Imperium?

            May 30, 2021 at 2:36 AM
          • Seir Luciel Moomin Amatin

            Why do I think Goons are angry? Maybe INN gives me the wrong impression, but there seems to be a lot of grievances going around here. Let’s not forget that one of the premise of this article is that PAPI members are “actively participating in the murder of EVE Online.”

            May 30, 2021 at 2:45 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            Funniest war to date – lol. Not sure how many times I have to say this but, to watch all the spin PAPI members were fed at the start of this war come undone is probably the best bit of the war for me. You still are doing it as well despite 1DQ being further from your grasp than it was a year ago – lol. How is that not funny?

            May 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    CCP reminds me a happy cuckold homo who is allows big blue dikc to have fun with his wifie (Eve) and satisfy any wish to keep it going.

    May 27, 2021 at 8:52 PM
  • Bronze Condor

    The freemen of Eve must lay siege to the PAPI homeworlds.

    May 29, 2021 at 5:03 AM
    • Bronze Condor Bronze Condor

      But who will organize and lead them into battle?

      May 29, 2021 at 5:03 AM