Legacy is Bleeding

2021-03-02

Art by Cryo Huren

Test Alliance Please Ignore (TEST), the lead alliance in Legacy coalition, is flying high. Eight months into the current war, their member count is as high as it’s ever been, and the alliance holds more sov than at almost any point in its 10-year history. But TEST’s war successes have come at the cost of not just their enemies, but of their coalition as well. While TEST sits atop the DOTLAN alliance leader board, their allies in Legacy coalition slowly bleed – both at home and on the front lines.

At the start of hostilities, TEST held approximately a third of all Legacy sov. Today they hold almost half, while the total number of systems held by Legacy dropped about 5%.

Legacy: A Stool with Three Legs

At the beginning of the current war, Legacy coalition could fairly be described as a stool with three legs. The two major alliances in the coalition – TEST and Brave – each formed a leg, and the remaining 10 smaller alliances (let’s call them “the minor powers”) combined to form the third leg. Of these three legs, Brave was the smallest. TEST and the minor powers each had more than 15,000 members; Brave had just over 10,000 members. The leg with the largest sov holdings was, by far, the minor powers, with approximately 280 systems between them, followed by TEST with approximately 165, and Brave with just under 60 systems.

When Legacy leadership announced the coming war at the end of June 2020, the announcement post was headed with an image of rolling dice. The risk being taken by the coalition was clearly stated: “We may all die in a ball of fire or we may engage in the greatest of victories imaginable.” Now, eight months later – with victory still uncertain – there is no question about the price Legacy is paying.

The Minor Powers Decimated

For Legacy’s minor powers, the cruel reality of this war has been very close to the ‘death by fire’ that Legacy leadership described at the beginning. While TEST has grown by every major alliance metric (membership up 13%, corp count up 19%, sov up 37%), the minor powers, as a component of Legacy, have been decimated (membership down 29%, corp count down 10%, sov down 33%).

Since the outbreak of war, sov held by Legacy’s minor powers has plummeted

What’s more, since the war began, three of Legacy’s minor powers have been hit with massive disruptions that have fundamentally affected their ability to function within Legacy.

  1. Decade-old alliance The Watchmen boasted almost 2,000 members last year and held just under 40 systems. At the beginning of this year, after six months of non-stop war, it collapsed completely. While still officially incorporated in name, it is an empty shell with just 11 members.
  2. Legacy founding member Requiem Eternal (REQ) was completely disbanded in November 2020 as the result of internal betrayal. Although a replacement alliance, Eternal Requiem (REQ.), was created in its place, its member numbers have never fully recovered.
  3. Russian alliance Siberian Squads (SB-SQ) actually withdrew completely from Legacy in January of this year and joined the Imperium to fight against their former allies in February.

The negative effects of the war on Legacy’s minor powers are visible in terms of both raw statistics and in terms of publicly-reported anecdotes from line members. Evictus., Already Replaced., Vindictive, Warped Intentions, and Rezeda Regnum have all seen significant drops in member counts during the course of the war (as tracked by DOTLAN), and many Legacy alliances have lost sov in their home regions such as Catch, Impass, and Immensea. “iHubs and TCUs began to fall in the outer loop of our little Immensea pocket. . . . It seemed as though the coalition was unwilling to save us,” wrote one line member of Federation Uprising in a Reddit rant.

When questioned about the obvious and irrefutable pain that Legacy’s minor powers are suffering in pursuit of Legacy’s war, Legacy leadership had some solace to offer. TEST military director ProGodLegend pointed to the benefits of victory. “The winners of this war will benefit and the losers won’t. We’ll win so we’ll benefit. The only people who won’t benefit are ones who leave the winning side before the war’s over.” In addition, PGL affirmed the possibility that some of TEST’s sov gains from the war could be redistributed to minor powers after the war ends. “None of the sov being held right now is final,” he confirmed.

When asked similar questions, Dunk Dinkle from Brave made clear that he could only speak from the perspective of his own alliance and did not represent the coalition. Nevertheless, he had little of comfort or justification to offer to Brave’s smaller coalition partners, implying that each Legacy alliance made its own decisions about committing to the war and paying the price involved. “I can’t really speak [in regards] to other groups,” he said. “We help when asked for help, but have to avoid telling other groups what to do. It’s not our place to tell them how to run their alliance.”

Brave: Broke and Homeless

While Brave, the second leg of Legacy’s three-legged stool, has fared far better than the minor powers, when measured on the basis of key metrics, it is clear that fighting the war has been costly. Brave’s long-time home holdings in Catch and Impass are under serious threat, with iHubs being lost in core systems, and the alliance has recently made the decision to relocate to a new home in Querious (a risky and contentious decision as revealed in a series of messages and leaks).

Thus they now find themselves in the midst of a precarious transition state, their old home crumbling and their new home not yet established. But Dinkle took issue with any characterization of Brave as homeless. “While we are stretched between regions currently, we are moving to our new home well, with great internal support and strong support from our allies,” he said.

In addition to geographical pressures, financial pressures are another challenge facing Brave, with fiscal struggles called out in particular in the leaked leadership discussions. “We’re draining our coffers,” said Brave’s Logistics Director n0rman in one of the leaked communications. “The current level of SRP/recon/etc bleed isn’t sustainable,” he said in another. Recent losses incurred on the home front (almost 100 billion in one day over last weekend) can’t help. Dinkle downplays those pressures, however. “Brave has never been a ‘rich’ alliance, as we have a much looser set of expectations on corps and members, compared to other larger groups. Our culture seems a bit more easygoing than other groups, which people seem to like. However, this may not maximize our alliance income,” he said.

As this war enters its ninth month, Legacy’s gambit is not yet won, and while TEST flies high, the rest of Legacy slowly bleeds.

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Comments

  • Guilford Australis

    There’s a lot of irony and schadenfreude here.

    At the beginning of this war, TEST’s hunchbacked Reddit warriors wheezed that Goonswarm was the only alliance that mattered to The Imperium, and they predicted specifically, loudly, and frequently that Bastion and INIT would leave the coalition once it became clear that Imperium leadership supposedly didn’t care about them.

    Well.

    Not only are Bastion and INIT still in The Imperium after nine months of war, they are actually out there burning Legacy homeland while *Legacy* turns out to be the coalition that only cares about its central alliance. The Imperium has not lost alliances but rather has gained several – from Legacy.

    PGL’s predictable drivel about the implosion of his vassal alliances not mattering as long as there’s victory at the end of the road is the ultimate embodiment of all the sociopathic excesses his own alliance projected onto The Mittani when this all started.

    March 2, 2021 at 1:43 PM
    • Can there ever be too much irony and schadenfreude?

      March 2, 2021 at 2:55 PM
  • Nicz Shadowstar

    Goonswarm has lost two structures in Querious, because the Querious structure was undefended.

    March 2, 2021 at 3:04 PM
    • ShutUp ShutUp Nicz Shadowstar

      oh no our Sotiyo backbone

      March 2, 2021 at 4:30 PM
    • Rammel Kas Nicz Shadowstar

      And Legacy have lost HOW many titan yards with titans and capitals in build, not to mention previous staging fortizars, T2 rigged structures and other infrastructure in the last week alone?

      At the current rate PaPi miss about 5 objectives for 1 they get. You don’t often see military leaders disregard the first paragraph’s of Sun Tzu’s writings. At least not those who win. History is littered with plenty of examples of fools who lost their crown and land because of lengthy conflicts depleting their structures.

      Piggles and Vily simple aren’t smart enough it seems to find the exit.

      March 2, 2021 at 4:31 PM
  • Crush Project

    their home still looks like its intact while goons try and camp their way to victory…

    March 2, 2021 at 6:38 PM
    • ShutUp ShutUp Crush Project

      Y’all passpi posting a lot here lately, did the tide turn against you on reddit or something?

      March 2, 2021 at 6:47 PM
      • Crush Project ShutUp ShutUp

        and you goons are the the same wherever you go.

        March 3, 2021 at 8:41 PM
    • what

      camp as in hold our ground as if it’s a bad thing? what in the ass

      March 3, 2021 at 9:49 PM
      • Crush Project Rain

        if you think thats all their is to fighting a war you may be a goon lol. seriously did you just say that?

        March 4, 2021 at 5:56 PM
  • Seir Luciel

    In other words, Legacy is experiencing highly unequal progress and regression. The bigger players (“TEST has grown by every major alliance metric”) feel the effects of the war unequally compared to the smaller players. It is important to remember how wars, victories, and defeats affect alliances unequally, and this goes for Goons as well. Certainly there are some in The Imperium who are hurting more than others.

    This is no different than how things work in real life and history. Blacks and other minorities, as well as lower-class citizens, experienced the post-WWII boom in the U.S unequally compared to their white and well-off counterparts. Hell, Japanese Americans had been put in American internment camps and had lost much of their property.

    As analysts of the war it is important not to homogenize the effects of struggle, and this article does an excellent job in expressing this fact.

    March 2, 2021 at 7:19 PM
    • jerbotron5000 Seir Luciel

      > Blacks and other minorities, as well as lower-class citizens, experienced the post-WWII boom in the U.S unequally compared to their white and well-off counterparts.

      That doesn’t seem like an apt comparison. TEST has so much sov and assets that they could stand to lose half of it and still be fine. They are also in a corner of the map that is not particularly vulnerable to attack. In Catch, Brave is situated in an extremely busy region of the game which is vulnerable to attack, and they did not have a massive stockpile of assets to weather such a long war. Both Pandemic Horde and Brave do not have the history within the game to have accumulated the kind of basically unlimited ISK and assets to which the older alliances have access. The dynamics are really more like those of massive multi-national military coalitions than of minorities, which I don’t think makes any sense at all as an analogy here.

      March 14, 2021 at 12:38 AM
  • William Doe

    Seems like TEST themselves are pretty content with this status quo in regards to both Legacy and PAPI overall. TEST has their PanFam allies doing the work as they have been since the very beginning. But other Legacy alliances are taking hits all over the place. It could be Vily and Piggles’s intent to try to absorb the most devoted line members to their propaganda from other Legacy alliances into TEST itself while the others who expressed distaste and felt they’ve been lied to can go kick rocks as they lose their home and their ships.

    March 2, 2021 at 11:50 PM
  • legacy good because not bad. only bad leave good legacy. ooga booga

    March 3, 2021 at 9:47 PM
  • Felipe Franco

    dracarys expelled evictus from where they were moving.

    March 3, 2021 at 11:08 PM
  • chimpy

    In Andrew Goren’s Great Empires of Eve in becomes clear that one thing from real life also applies to Eve. Don’t fuck with the Russians. There is no war with the Russians where win or lose you get to go home. When you fight the Russians it’s to the very last person left alive. There could be only one crippled Russian 90 year old grandmother left alive and she will fight until her death. There is no soft western underbelly that gives up if it’s had enough. This is the Russian way. The Mittani understands this. What papi, and especially Test don’t understand is that the Mittani and Goons have leeched by osmosis this Russian mentality. If papi killed every last Goon structure, destroyed every last Goon ship in Eve, the Goons would simply make the long march to Russian space, lick their wounds, regroup, and come back harder than ever. You can’t break the Russians in the way other group break because the Russians are unable to break even if they wanted to. The Goons are the closest non Russians Eve has to have this baked irreversibly into their DNA.

    March 3, 2021 at 11:41 PM
  • Moomin Amatin

    The fact that you are even talking about Delve still is simply a testimony to the efforts of The Imperium. PAPI should have levelled Delve back in Sept/Oct.

    Here is the reality for PAPI. There is a lot of work still to be done in order to “exterminate” The Imperium and establish the rental empire PAPI seem hellbent on pursuing. 1DQ still stands and PAPI have now stated that this war will run for another 6 months. Given the spend so far by PAPI and taking note of the losses in M2-X and the remaining 30 plus keepstars of which 5 are in 1DQ alone, where do you see The Legacy getting the ISK to fund such a campaign? I can tell you it will not be from war bonds. TAPI by all accounts still have not replaced all of the losses from M2-X.

    March 4, 2021 at 6:17 AM
    • Seir Luciel Moomin Amatin

      I think Einstein was wrong when he said the fastest thing in the universe was light. The fastest thing in the universe is the Goon standard for winning wars.

      This actually makes a lot of sense. As PAPI approaches this speed we experience time dilation; time slows down as we approach the speed of Goon standards for winning wars. It only feels like this war is taking a long time due to the laws of physics. Science is crazy right!?

      March 4, 2021 at 4:20 PM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    They don’t care of structures and you can’t manage a proper KS contest.

    March 5, 2021 at 11:51 AM
  • Arrendis

    Only yesterday 1trillion isk of structures belonging to Goons was destroyed including 2xVendettas.

    Minor nitpick, but Vendettas aren’t structures.

    March 6, 2021 at 5:53 PM