The Casino War – Who said it was over?

Moomin Amatin 2017-08-04

The Beacons are Lit

August 2 at 1900, a SOTG (State of the Goonion) was held. Anticipation and attendance were high as there has been a great deal of speculation about the intended target of The Imperium. SOTGs are a rare thing for The Imperium and should not be treated lightly. Although The Mittani holds weekly fireside chats, in order to communicate and address concerns of line members, a SOTG is a very different matter.

The Imperium SOTG has already been reported on INN here. You note it states that the final destination was still not known. Somehow, within an organisation of over 29 thousand characters alone in GSF, operational security was maintained with no leaks. Even the supposedly premier intel services offered at a price had no idea what was coming and to where. It was, however, no secret that something was coming.

Suggestions as to the intended target for the might of The Imperium have been numerous. All the usual suspects in the current hot-spots around New Eden were put forward. Pandemic Horde, GotG, CVA, CO2, FCON were all considered quite viable by commentators. In fact, some self-proclaimed experts put forward so many options the only one not seemingly mentioned was hisec. Although they probably discounted hisec as being a possibility as The Imperium has already done a hisec event in the very popular and successful BJ4KIDS campaign earlier this year.

A blast from the past

Almost a year ago to the day The Imperium leader The Mittani made a bold announcement. “Delve is for Goons!” was the cry. The numerous enemies of The Imperium had already invested in infrastructure in the North. Such an investment tends to make an alliance less likely to follow their considered prey. As such The Imperium headed South to rebuild a new home. This time, one that would be built with the lessons of The Casino war well in mind.

Predictions were also made by The Mittani at that time as to what the future of the North would hold. He predicted that the “blue not blue” utopia that had been chanted by the members of the Money Badger Coalition would not come to pass. Instead, PanFam would oust any group that were likely to interfere in their own plans for the North. In a matter of weeks the “truthiness” of The Mittani’s comments became all too apparent.

NC and PH plotted against their former allies Test and the turncoats Co2. NC as ever seemed incapable of getting the job done themselves so had to wait for PL to come and finish the job for them. Test and Co2 were thrown out of Tribute and Vale of the Silent where they sought refuge in the South. They were followed by PL, then NC and then PH. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

FCON have bent the knee, kissed the ring and probably done a few other things in order to secure safety from a more capable entity. FCON have been seeing activity from The Imperium for some time so were not a bad choice. But FCON is also having “fun” of sorts with Co2. Co2 decided that they did not wish to help their valued allies. The reasons for this are not entirely clear given that Co2 is often rather closed in its nature and logic. Perhaps Co2 is still busy with their war against The Imperium which they declared earlier this year. A war that was declared without the involvement of other members of The Legacy coalition.

PH and GotG secured their homelands and made a “blue, not blue” agreement, where seemingly even Rorquals were to be treated as structures. PH even felt safe enough that they decided to declare war on hisec citadel owners and began what can only be described as an extortion racket. “Nice citadel you have there, would be a shame if something were to happen to it”. By all accounts, PH makes a nice income from this endeavour. It would be a shame if something were to happen to this income stream of theirs.

GotG, led by Dorkness, even picked up long time haters of blue donuts and renter alliances with Mordus Angels joining them. MoA have even gone so far to create a renter alliance called Mordus Legion. I wonder who could have inspired them?

NC and PL then pushed ever increasingly the creation of a new rental empire called “Rate My Ticks”. This rental empire is promoted at almost every opportunity by more vocal members of PanFam as being a great way to live in nullsec. Seemingly NC still play a part in the management of the Brothers of Tangra rental alliance as well. The evidence of this was seen last Christmas with a charming mail from Lady Scarlet of NC.

The Culture should also get a mention when it comes to renting as they have been pushing the expansion of their own rental wing. Do remember that The Culture have been quite open with stating that they are as blue to NC as you can get without being actually blue. The numerous times The Culture has bat-phoned PanFam is also very evident.

The empire created by The Imperium in the North was replaced by a larger collection of blues. In essence, PanFam controlled over half of the map and were still able to deploy South to farm in Catch and surrounding areas.

In this brief recap there is still far more to be told. The New Eden Trade Network, for instance, is a story with strong links to PanFam. The Care4Kids debacle also has plenty of ties to PanFam. Even the loss of the CVA held Sotiyo only really affected a player who dedicated themselves to helping new players. There is more besides this, and it will be very interesting to see which entities will flock to the PanFam banner.

More recently

Test Alliance then announced a deployment of their own. They would head North to fight the GotG coalition. This was a somewhat unexpected move on the part of Test which was covered here. It did not take very long though for Test to realise that things were not as claimed in the North. The pets of PanFam were very much still pets and the numbers Test faced proved problematical at times.

It would not be wrong to say that the inner workings of Test are at points complicated. Sapporo Jones has freely admitted that it was Test that went back on the deal which led to the Fountain War. Also that PL and NC played a large part in convincing Test that it was a good idea for them to go against those who had helped Test grow in the Testagram.

The wounds from the Fountain War are seemingly still fresh for some. This is seemingly a little irrational given the beatings that Test has taken from PL ever since. But perhaps this mood within Test has also altered slightly. Only time will tell in how Test decides to set its own narrative.

Even the East of New Eden has seen some changes in standings and structure. Triumvirate have been doing some housekeeping in order to present themselves with more PvP opportunities. This move on Triumvirates part soon saw FCON run into the arms of the DRF for protection. This has potentially upset the plans of Triumvirate who will now have to look elsewhere for the “good fights” they seek. It should be remembered that Triumvirate also have some history of activity in the North. Perhaps their eyes will turn in that direction again.

The Initiative have also been busy with Mercenary Coalition in Syndicate. The Initiative fought very well by all accounts in the region despite being vastly out numbered. After seeing a brief respite in order to regroup The Initiative are back into the fray.

The Gears of War

Sometimes the gears of war turn slowly. The Imperium have a history of having very long wars in which a clear winner and loser is not always apparent. It is most certain that The Imperium were removed from the North by the largest assembly of hostiles ever to be seen in New Eden. But perhaps for The Imperium this was only to be their Dunkirk. The Imperium then returned to their ancestral homelands of Delve in order to rebuild. A task that was set about in all seriousness as has been seen time and time again in the CCP Monthly Economic Reports.

With the sham of the Money Badger Coalition being exposed and the reality evident to all concerned, The Imperium is making their first offensive move. It has been made clear by The Mittani that this is to be a dirty war. What precisely this involves is yet to be discovered. But it can be said for certain that The Imperium learnt an awful lot over the last 18 months.

Special Interest Groups within The Imperium have been quite active since moving to Delve. Many pilots have become quite adept at fighting in remote regions far from their homelands. Doctrines and tactics have been formed to inflict pain on often more numerous defenders. You would not have to look far for the successes of The Imperium, with Initiative being a notable example of this.

The Imperium forces have been on the move as can be seen here and here. No matter how these fake analysts and supposed experts try to spin it, the evidence is clear. The Imperium is on the march and their intent is to burn it all to the ground.

The contents of The Imperium SOTG have already sent some shock waves through Test and other alliances. Disconnected commentators have been eager to try and set their own narrative in a shockingly naive way. Entities that suspect that The Imperium is coming for them scurried about trying to fathom the final destination.

Now is the time to choose

Test have already demonstrated their intentions. The Imperium have also done the same. This is not to even suggest that there is any inclination for an official joining of the two entities. If anything quite the opposite is desired. Eve is a healthier game with many entities making their own stories and for conflict to be present. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend is perfectly valid in this case.

As such it is not expected that Test and The Imperium will be flying alongside each other. The reality is very much more likely to be a shared interest in overall strategic goals. These are likely to be spread over many, often sparsely inhabited, regions of space.

There are still many groups who will have a chance to align with one of the sides involved. But with past deeds to consider, as well as the lack of the infinite dirty money from casinos, who can tell how this will shape up. Perhaps Co2 will even come to help their new friends NC as they did in the South against The Imperium just weeks ago.

There has even been propaganda sighted calling hisec into action as seen here. PanFam has been creating their own trading monopoly for some time in hisec. This may stir those that suffered loss of business and profits into action in one form or another. Even if it is to simply pay less tribute given the more precarious situation that PanFam is finding itself in. This may even be sage advice for the many renters associated to PanFam as well.

It will be interesting to see how long it will be before that sweet and lovable little rogue Elise “YOLO-Swiggity-swoo 420 blaster wizard oh how I wish I was 16 again” Randalph is rolled out to try and appease the masses. Historically he will pop up to say how it is just all about good fights and being space friends. For others, it will be to try and bring up every “crime” ever committed by The Imperium members. All the time skipping over how many of those that were in charge in The Imperium at that point are now in PanFam. After all, it is fine for NC and PL to suck up the dreggs of Eve with a litany of crimes, but should you put on a wizard hat then you are in for a kicking and perpetual guilt.

What is known though is that The Imperium have ensured that they are able to fund this action comfortably. The Mitanni has stated that he only expects this deployment to be for a month and for it to act as a template for future actions.

Normally at this point, I would suggest names for this war. But then I realised that it had already been more than eloquently named. You see despite the claims of others The Casino War never ended for many in The Imperium.

This is all from the perspective of an F1 Monkey though. So I would love to hear your thoughts on all of this. What side will you be on? Who will win the propaganda war? What do you think will be a good outcome to this ongoing saga? Oh I should mention that the final destination has been reached. But I have to leave something for those who seek upvotes or credibility of some sort.

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Comments

  • Eur1

    Where the casino ? The war is over and lost by goons. Starting a new one won’t change the past..

    August 4, 2017 at 7:47 am
    • Moomin Amatin Eur1

      The influence and wealth of the casinos is still present. The Casino War in my opinion will not be over until all traces of it are removed.

      August 4, 2017 at 1:08 pm
  • chimpy

    Good read. But for good propaganda you need a clear enemy. Is it to be Eurasia or Eastasia ?

    August 4, 2017 at 8:04 am
    • dragonshardz chimpy

      We have always been at war with Eurasia.

      We have always been at war with Eastasia.

      August 4, 2017 at 8:05 am
    • Rolfski chimpy

      The enemy here is often referred to as “The North”.

      August 4, 2017 at 10:51 am
  • dragonshardz

    The Casino War ended when the casinos died. We’ll certainly see how the name for this war shakes out. I haven’t heard anything cool and original yet, but time will tell.

    August 4, 2017 at 8:05 am
    • Rolfski dragonshardz

      It’s a one month op only, not a war. Test Invasion, please ignore.

      August 4, 2017 at 10:44 am
      • davor safranko Rolfski

        heh who told you its 1 month you should listen better when someone talks 🙂

        August 6, 2017 at 9:35 pm
        • Haldir Orlly davor safranko

          The article does, numbnuts. You should read better when someone types.

          August 7, 2017 at 3:39 am
          • davor safranko Haldir Orlly

            Mittani said maybe maybe not he never said its gona last a month

            August 7, 2017 at 4:54 am
    • Moomin Amatin dragonshardz

      Was a statement made by The Mittani declaring he had lost The Casino War? Last year was simply our Dunkirk. Now is more comparable to probing the “soft underbelly” of the “bluetrals” in the North.

      August 4, 2017 at 1:06 pm
      • For the Casino War to have been your Dunkirk you would have had to lose an expeditionary conflict in allied space, not your own space. This is more like Paris, May 10 1940.

        August 4, 2017 at 3:49 pm
        • Agreed. Although the Dunkirk bit was more to do with the imagery aspect. So surely I am allowed a little poetic license? – heh.

          August 4, 2017 at 6:24 pm
          • I think you use it well Moomin 🙂

            August 4, 2017 at 8:21 pm
          • Thank you dear, most kind of you to say so.

            August 4, 2017 at 11:01 pm
          • IV Dystopia Moomin Amatin

            Not true, hoodaticus is arguing that the Imperium was nothing more than England in WW2 which is an ill-informed perspective and a miss understanding of your analogy.
            The Allies were a coalition of many it was comprised of the English expeditionary force. The French which broke into two groups the faithful resistance and the traitors the Vishy French I.E. CO2. It had individuals who joined the allies without a country because their countries had fallen or fail cascaded.
            Hoodaticus what you are missing from Glorious Mommin’s analogy is one pivotal loss is not the end of an ongoing struggle against the darkness and tyranny of oppression.
            High-Sec is Besieged and being milked like a gated cow, Low-Sec is their Keepstar Freeway, Null-Sec is their content and those that do not simply feed their kill boards are crushed.
            Provi, Brave, Test, Querious Fight Club and others have all felt the shackles of oppression because one group needs to satiate their addiction…the addition of content and a green kill board.
            The analogy holds true and deny as you may the oppression and control from the few is real and humanity will not stand for it any longer.

            August 4, 2017 at 9:02 pm
      • dragonshardz Moomin Amatin

        Never said we lost, Moomin dear, just that the war ended when the casinos died. This is less of a situation where the war never ended and more of a punitive expedition to clear out the ghetto camp inside the empty shell of an abandoned casino.

        August 4, 2017 at 9:30 pm
    • IV Dystopia dragonshardz

      Names are names. If that is the highlight of a war for you then give me your address and I will mail you a dictionary. Hopefully you can get a new subscriber because you named a thing.
      But for us we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance. We have endured and rebuilt, now we heed the call of Goondor. Cynos have been lit and we feel the long tempered rage rise once more.
      For us we hold fast to the only war.
      The HELL WAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!!

      August 4, 2017 at 8:06 pm
      • dragonshardz IV Dystopia

        You…you do realize I too am a goon, right? And that my spacejob is naming things so we can make propaganda about them?

        Names are important – they give people a rallying cry and a sense of identity.

        August 4, 2017 at 9:27 pm
        • IV Dystopia dragonshardz

          No, I did not realize that I am just really excited. I can’t believe I wasted my awesome enthusiasm on a fellow brother.

          Name it “The House War”, I.E. House Atreides (Us and the Fremen) invading and House Harkonen to stop their vial oppression.

          Anyway did you still want the dictionary?

          August 4, 2017 at 9:36 pm
  • Rolfski

    The Mitanni was basically sandbagging himself by declaring this a 1 month op only, also not committing any supers. In case of catastrophic failure (which is let’s face it, not an unlikely possibility against a PanFam that WILL commit their supers if necessary) he can still claim op success, didn’t want that system anyway, etc. etc.

    As such I wouldn’t call this a war but more of a demo op. I doesn’t serve any purpose other than a morale boost event for goons to get their general PvP confidence back, which was still hurting after WWBee (nobody calls it Casino War unless you’re some goon underling that has been told to do so), and to show the world they’ve not degenerated into an carebear alliance and still can be aggressive.

    Of course they need to spend ISK as well. With their insane Delve production output goons are definitely considered a major contributor to the insane PLEX increases. They must have finally come to the conclusion that the ridiculous cost of PLEX-ing your account is hurting their own newer members as well.

    Speaking of Delve, it will be interesting to see what will happen there in the meantime. PL for sure has no intention of stopping their relentless dreadbombing on the carebears left behind.

    August 4, 2017 at 9:59 am
    • Moomin Amatin Rolfski

      May I ask as to what are your qualifications to make such statements? You see you say that this is a “demo op” which “doesn’t serve any long term purpose”. These seem quite interesting and bold claims to make. So surely you must be a leader and military strategist for a major power bloc in Eve?

      Oh and The Imperium initially called this “The war of sovless aggression”, CCP called it “The Easter War” and the MBC called it “World War Bee”. The name “The Casino War” came from an independent party. It was and is a name that is very fitting though and frames the situation nicely. I love the little dig there by the way that anyone using the term “The Casino War” is only doing as told as they are a “goon underling”. Classy.

      Love the bit about PLEX prices being the fault of The Imperium as well. So you are a market expert as well?

      The final bit is great as well. I guess you could sum it up as “PL will come, they must come”.

      August 4, 2017 at 1:03 pm
      • Rolfski Moomin Amatin

        It’s an opinion, just like your write-up is an opinion (more of a propaganda piece than an opinion actually, but let’s not go into this discussion). I never claimed for you to be an expert either, nor do you need to be one for an opinion

        And you don’t need to be an economist to understand that the trillions that are made in Delve are invested in assets that keep their value over time, which is PLEX, therefore increasing its demand and prices even more. Even CCP recognizes this to be a very unhealthy situation.

        Goons going to war and hopefully spending more on ships vs investing in PLEX is therefore a good thing for the game.

        Btw EVERYBODY outside goons calls it WWBee, even CCP who actually were the first to publicly use that name. All the other names are just the result of the Mittani being pissed by this at the time and forbidding his own TMC staff to use that name. Which lead to all, sorts of cringy and hilarious names no one outside this website ever used, like “war of sovless aggression”.
        Personally, I have never understood why goons have always behaved so childishly over the WWBee name. Sure, they didn’t come up with it so they couldn’t spin it, but it’s not a bad name for them at all.

        August 4, 2017 at 1:56 pm
        • Moomin Amatin Rolfski

          Opinions are more than welcome here. I only ask these questions in order to ensure that there is some validity and honesty maintained.

          To be clear on this point let me use an example that we have been over in the past. You can dislike ginger hair and I could love it. It would be fine for us to express our preferences. But to then claim that one position has greater merit than the other would be wrong as both are subjective.

          So with that in mind I know that Rhivre, a well respected trader in New Eden, has done a piece recently on the price of PLEX. The conclusions you have come to are quite different from those of Rhivre. Rhivre did back up their position with data though. Are you going to be doing the same?

          CCP were not the first to use the name publicly. World War Bee first appeared on Reddit to my knowledge. The CCP marketing team could not resist that one so used it. It was something that CCP later backed away from as they had realised their error. Also you say “everybody” and so dismiss that “The Casino War” was created by someone that was not involved in the conflict. This means that you have been too ambitious in your use of “everyone”, no?

          I have said on many occasions that World War Bee is a great name for a war. So why use it up when The Casino War was a lot more descriptive of what was going on? If you want to use WWB then you can go for it. But once used you are not going to be able to use it again. After that we are left with people creating terrible names such as “The Winter War”. If you want that then that is your choice. Personally I think it lacks imagination though.

          August 4, 2017 at 6:44 pm
          • Rolfski Moomin Amatin

            Because some one made an article about something doesn’t mean he’s right. You of all people should know that. In case of Rhivre he did not factor in the Delve situation, which is, judging from their blogs and balancing attempts, probably the thing that worries CCP the most.

            If you’re sitting on shitloads of ISK, investing them in PLEX is simply the best passive thing to do. Simple as that, you don’t need to be an expert to figure this out.

            As for WWBee, you answered the question yourself. Whether it appeared on reddit or in-game/in-dev blog first, these are basically the main sources that caused the name to become widespread before any other name.

            Who created the name Casino War is therefore irrelevant. That name simply came up on this website when WWBee was already long common good within the community. Which is exactly what makes goons attempt to change it after the fact so childishly stupid and cringy.

            Judging by the hilarious “war of sovless aggression” memes at the time, I would actually go as far by claiming that goons making such a fool of themselves with this naming drama contributed to their horrible defeat in the propaganda war. Which in turn definitely contributed to their loss in WWBee.

            August 4, 2017 at 10:32 pm
          • Moomin Amatin Rolfski

            Again you seem to be off point here.

            Rhivre studies the market a lot. They provided evidence using CCP market data. The thought process was laid out logically and informatively. At this time you offer nothing more than your supposed knowledge. No evidence at all. Get some evidence to back up your argument. Without it you are just blowing hot air.

            You say “even CCP who actually were the first to publicly use that name”. This is not true. It was on Reddit first. Then you seem to try and wriggle out of that while still trying to sound informed.

            The rest of your comment is your opinion. You are welcome to this as long as you do not dress it up as fact.

            August 4, 2017 at 11:12 pm
          • Rolfski Moomin Amatin

            Again, being an “expert” is no a guarantee whatsoever to be always right on the topic. I’m sure you’re not that stupid to always take for granted what “experts” say. Especially since I have yet to see a valid counter-argument from your self-proclaimed expert who also replied to my comment.

            And whether reddit or CCP first used WWBee as a name is irrelevant. What is relevant is that WWBee was long accepted as the name for the war before goons childishly tried to change it into a different name. Promoting it on this website from “war of sovless aggression” into “Casino War”only proves that point.

            August 5, 2017 at 1:01 am
          • Moomin Amatin Rolfski

            Well the point I am trying to make here is that you simply make a statement based on your belief. You have not presented any evidence at all. As for your supposed point being countered by INN’s “self-proclaimed” expert. Do you think that Stephen Hawkin would counter my arguments on physics just because I said I felt something? As for Rhivre, they do not proclaim themselves to be an expert. CCP however does talk to Rhivre about market trading in Eve all the time. So I guess that CCP considers Rhivre to be an expert. Nice try though in undermining Rhivre.

            Now you claim CCP first using the “WWB” name as being irrelevant despite it being the basis of your previous comments. Well at least you have altered your point somewhat, again.

            Go back to the start of your comments and actually try and form an argument that you can back up with facts. Or at least properly qualify your point by stating that it is how you feel or what you believe. These are both fine. This switching around all the time just makes you look irrational at best.

            August 5, 2017 at 1:33 am
          • Rolfski Moomin Amatin

            Have you seen the economic reports? Have you read the dev blogs where CCP has stated multiple times that the Delve situation is severely worrying them? Did you notice the various economy balance changes in the past year, like rorqual nerfs? Did you read CCP’s plans to make moon mining more dangerous? Well, there’s your evidence (not that I need one because this is all opinion remember? Just like your article).

            A concentration of players exploiting the hell out of one of the richest places in the game in relative safety is messing up the economy atm and its giving CCP headaches. And goons know it, people definitely join karmafleet these days because the carebearing is so excellent.

            As for WWB, that name simply became widespread way before goons tried to force other names, which is what counts. How it became widespread first, by reddit or CCP, is of less relevance.

            Btw, you’re borderline trolling here atm, so I suggest you stick to the discussion and don’t try to be some smart ass, like you’ve been in other comments. It really doesn’t work here and just makes you look stupid.

            August 5, 2017 at 11:39 am
          • Rhivre Rolfski

            Can you point me to the dev blog specifically naming delve and mining?

            Moon Mining is part of a wider issue with passive income, and is not specifically aimed at Delve. It has been an issue since the Technitium thing, and it is not unique to Delve, or Goons. Unless they are the only alliance pulling in hundreds of billions a month from their moons (they are not).

            I can show you the devblog stating multiple times that ratting in anomalies is the issue, it is this one here:
            https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=521682

            The reason for the rorqual changes, as stated by CCP is:
            “These changes revolve around the Rorqual and mining in general. We’ve been keeping a close eye on the mineral economy since Ascension and we feel that we need to make another fairly significant intervention in order to help keep this area of the EVE economy healthy.” From here https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=512182

            The mineral prices due to the oversupply of surplus mats from mining is the cause of the rorq changes. It should be noted that it is also not only GSF who are mining in Rorqs, at least one other of the major alliances has been mining their own minerals for their entire fleet instead of importing it from jita.

            August 5, 2017 at 1:28 pm
          • Moomin Amatin Rolfski

            Yes I have seen the dev blogs and MERs. I have also noticed the changes. But it seems you are less well informed than you claim to be. You see that all the changes of late to the economy are only making The Imperium stronger. This has been pointed out many times on the Meta Show and by our CSM representatives.

            The Imperium can call its wars whatever it wants surely. It is interesting to note that The Imperium is prepared to be flexible on the name of its wars though unlike some people I could mention. But as already stated more than once, you can call it whatever you wish. It does not mean that I have to do the same.

            Yes I am sure that me being reasonable and answering all of the comments it quite terrible of me. Asking for commentators such as yourself to either back up points with data or to admit that they are beliefs is truly terrible of me. If I look stupid for it then it is a small price to pay to out the uninformed fake rage that some express.

            August 5, 2017 at 1:50 pm
    • Rhivre Rolfski

      So goons are working with Ir0nbank to increase plex prices? Did anyone tell either Mittens or Ir0n?

      August 4, 2017 at 8:03 pm
      • Rolfski Rhivre

        What would you do if you’re sitting on trillions of dank mining ISK and there’s no war going on? PLEX is basically like gold in the real economy, it’s the one investment in Eve you can rely on to keep its value.
        And I’m not even talking goons as an organization here. You can safely bet that all these filthy rich carebear line members have piled up PLEX for years of playtime with multiple accounts. It’s simply the logical thing to do.

        August 4, 2017 at 9:12 pm
        • Jump Clone Rolfski

          y’know, I can hardly imagine CCP worrying about players helping CCP customers to get value from PLEXes sold by CCP.

          August 5, 2017 at 3:01 am
          • Rolfski Jump Clone

            Believe me, they are worried about Delve. They said multiple times that it’s bad for the game for a relatively small portion of the player base to be that rich. And the nerfs that hit the rorquals are the direct result of it.

            August 5, 2017 at 10:42 am
          • Rhivre Rolfski

            It was the nerfs to the ratting that were in response to income. It is not just delve. Delve has the biggest numbers as it has the biggest population. Dek has very high numbers too.

            August 5, 2017 at 11:00 am
          • Rolfski Rhivre

            Delve’s numbers simply dwarf any region out there. It’s the ultimate magnification of the issues you get when a concentration of players can exploit in relatively safety one of the richest places in the game.

            August 5, 2017 at 11:09 am
          • Rhivre Rolfski

            Delve has a population that dwarfs any other region out there. Trust me, people in Dek are making similar income.

            August 5, 2017 at 1:23 pm
        • Rhivre Rolfski

          I take into account information I have from people who have insight into Delve.
          People have piled up plex, yes, it is a thing that happens over the years. Are they suddenly dropping all their isk into PLEX? Not from the volumes on the market.

          Are they buying a bit here and a bit there? Perhaps.

          Are people converting a lower $$ to PLEX? Well, if volume traded doesnt change, and price increases, out of supply and demand, it is supply that is altered.

          Interestingly, all it takes to keep plex at 3.2 (so 1.6b/month) is 1 bored guy in perimeter with multisell.

          August 5, 2017 at 6:56 am
          • Rolfski Rhivre

            You didn’t mention Delve once in your article. Still it’s especially Delve that has CCP worried so much ever since goons started carebearing there, that multiple economy balance changes like rorqual nerfs can be considered the direct result of it.

            This is simply more than buying a bit PLEX here and there, goons are messing up the economy of this game and they know it. Whether they should be blamed for this is a different story of course. Afaik they’re not abusing exploits or anything. It’s all more of a design issue with the game CCP hoops to fix at least partially by making moon mining more dangerous.

            August 5, 2017 at 11:03 am
  • Antar Logan

    Stop being so biased, have some journalistic pride when you write. I am tired of drinking the mittani juice in every article

    August 4, 2017 at 10:26 am
    • Rhivre Antar Logan

      This is an op-ed, which expresses the opinions of the author.

      August 4, 2017 at 11:02 am
      • Moomin Amatin Rhivre

        This is a master class in truthiness. How dare you! 😉

        August 4, 2017 at 7:01 pm
    • Moomin Amatin Antar Logan

      Having read the very fine article about Albion carrot bubbles, published just before this one by the number wizard Caleb, I am unable to find the “mittani juice” you speak of. Would you be so kind to point it out please?

      OK, so we all know that there is no “mittani juice” in there. Or in many of the other articles or guides on INN. This leads me to think that you may have an axe to grind here. Have you ever had a falling out with The Imperium at all Antar Logan?

      August 4, 2017 at 12:55 pm
      • Antar Logan Moomin Amatin

        Will you ever depict co2 as anything but traitors? FCON as anything but carebears looking for protection? NC. as the devil incarnate? If so please hit me up I’d love to read it.
        Also an FYI, casino isk is done and used up, You wana kill the remaining casino isk in the game go shoot the pub nullsec keepstars. (good luck with that)

        August 4, 2017 at 1:34 pm
        • Vertigoe Antar Logan

          Probably not, get used to it or go back to en24. Also we said as we left Deklein the war was not over, so your surprise that we do not consider it over shows how much you know about us. One side saying it is over does not make it so. We simply lost the opening battles.

          August 4, 2017 at 3:17 pm
          • Moomin Amatin Vertigoe

            It seems that Antar did heed your advice. But the article that they wrote for that lesser “news” site was so bad and inaccurate it was withdrawn.

            August 5, 2017 at 4:57 pm
          • Antar Logan Moomin Amatin

            It was right at the time, then the story line changed, but I did do it partially to show you what an example of a non biased one would look like. good luck in your endevours

            August 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm
          • Rhivre Antar Logan

            Then why not add a correction or editors note, or an errata, and update the article?

            August 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm
          • Moomin Amatin Antar Logan

            Hello again dear. I think you need to re-read your comment quite carefully. But in order to try and help you, as you wish to help me, let me run my own simple analysis.

            You write and article that was “right at the time”.
            This was done to show me how to write a unbiased article.
            Your article is then removed for being inaccurate.
            The editor of the site you made your submission to is apologising on reddit for the article.

            Well I guess you sure just gave me a master class in good and accurate writing. Thank you. ;-).

            August 6, 2017 at 2:30 pm
          • Antar Logan Moomin Amatin

            Careful dont overload that Spinmaster 9000 you borrowed from mittens. Can’t issue a correction on a story thats not in fuition can I?

            August 6, 2017 at 2:39 pm
          • Moomin Amatin Antar Logan

            Sorry dear, you ask a question but the question does not make much sense.

            For starters “fuition” does not appear to be a word in the English language. Possibly you mean “fruition”. Additionally you use “not” in conjunction with “can’t”. So with the use of a double negative and also by creating new words I am not sure how to respond.

            As for spin. Well if any of the points I made previously are wrong then just let me know. I am more than happy with being shown how I am wrong. It also reflects far better on you than a “grrr gon spin, hat gon spin” typed comment.

            August 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm
        • Moomin Amatin Antar Logan

          Firstly you avoided answering my questions. But being the nice chap that I am and wanting things to be plain for all to see I will of course answer yours.

          Co2 are traitors. They know it, PL, NC and everyone else in Eve also knows it.

          FCON have shown time and time again that they do almost anything to “be safe”. They had deals with SW that they started to undermine as soon as they knew Test and Co2 were coming to the area. They have written about this themselves as was seen on Reddit.

          NC have been the enemy of The Imperium for a long time. If you want me to paint them as the “good guys” then please let me know about all the “good things” they have done. As soon as you do that then I will write a piece about them. Of course for balance I would also have to mention the bad as well.

          The Imperium has already taken down “public” keepstars. There is nothing to suggest that we will not kill the rest of them once the opportunity presents itself. But The Imperium are not the protectors of the game, especially where so many refuse to help themselves.

          So any chance you can answer my questions now? Or is that too sensitive for your liking?

          August 4, 2017 at 6:22 pm
          • Antar Logan Moomin Amatin

            I was blacklisted from goons, and Bastion got me for 100b. Oh and goons tried to awox my titan.
            But prob is saying that you’d think I’d be mad about all that… which if you knew me you’d know otherwise. It’s the spin I have a problem with.

            What you say is true to a point, your point.

            I had nc. save my ass and bomb my ass, theres good n bad everywhere. CO2 are opportunists and they all work from one persons decisions. You’d think their leadership chat gets something done but thats not the case.
            There’s a lot more to say, my point is you can just go for the norm perceptions or do something real with some concrete follow ups and maybe ask the ones involved, you’d be surprised to see the other side of things.
            An editorial is fine its just sometimes people get tired of eating the same friggin sausage every day, give me some in depth knowledge, go hit up one of the shakers n movers, do something I can be like… woah didn’t know this little fact etc… but anyways gluck hope u dont mind the constructive criticism

            August 4, 2017 at 7:14 pm
          • Moomin Amatin Antar Logan

            INN make great efforts in allowing all sides to be represented. Perhaps you should take them up on this offer.

            As for the constructive criticism, well you did state that every article had “Mittani juice” in it. But this is obviously not true. So please do be mindful of your own spin as well.

            August 4, 2017 at 11:00 pm
          • You stole a bunch of your corpmates moons who had nothing to do with the disagreements you had with people in charge, so yeah.. At that point telling you to f-off and trying to kill your shit seems perfectly reasonable.

            What’s funny is in this thread you’re complaining about spin.. You really always have been a hypocrite haven’t you?

            August 6, 2017 at 4:10 pm
          • Antar Logan Xavi

            You sad little peon, I didn’t steal anything. I did have access to some 30+ caps and other things and I took WAIT FOR IT…. 0 THINGS! I restricted roles of my alt corp when I knew I was ousted cuz ppl fed me illuminati intel. Could have moonwalked with 100+billion easy, but you keep spinning your shit goony, I’m +2 titans +2 supers and a 200B Fiend thanks to my new home. Plus friends who wouldn’t back stab me=priceless.

            August 8, 2017 at 4:50 am
        • Jump Clone Antar Logan

          For CO2, the ping sent by the French CO2 super FC circulated here and there on localized forums and even led to at least two special podcasts about it. Quite interesting to hear, especially the part explaining why he ended up sending the broadcast even if he disapproved the Directorate decision no one else felt compelled to.

          Of course, the RMTers isk will remain where it is given the game mechanisms as they are : but there is still a chance to hit their customers, allies & providers morale, especially newbies, and helping them get who these guys are. If there is one thing everybody learnt from the goons, it is that ruining your ennemies game is all you can hope to achieve in Eve.

          August 7, 2017 at 7:27 pm
    • Vertigoe Antar Logan

      Go read the Seraph drivel on EveNews24 that will either be more to your taste or help put you back in balance.

      August 4, 2017 at 1:21 pm
      • I think I just threw up in my mouth a little 🙁

        August 4, 2017 at 3:43 pm
      • Rolfski Vertigoe

        Agreed, Seraph IX Basarab’s attempt at propaganda is even worse than this one. Makes you wish the Eve community has better commentators.

        August 4, 2017 at 5:41 pm
    • Mischa Gau'ss Tesla Antar Logan

      Being biased consist in being “unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.”.
      This article cannot be considered as such as it is said as being the perspective of someone being on of of said sides. As such it is not “unfairly for” this side, as it is not meant to be objective…
      Also, press and newsnetwork are biased by essence, as they do not have access to the whole information at any time. The difference between qualitty press and crap press is in the way information: crappy news present unverified or incomplete info as fact, and there pov as truth. Good press limits to verified facts and/or warns the reader of the fact it’s pov might not be the only one. Here, we are looking to an article presenting maybe incomplete/incorrect facts, but warning that they are “(…)from the perspective of an F1 Monkey though. So I would love to hear your thoughts on all of this. What side will you be on? Who will win the propaganda war? What do you think will be a good outcome to this ongoing saga? Oh I should mention that the final destination has been reached. But I have to leave something for those who seek upvotes or credibility of some sort.”

      August 4, 2017 at 10:02 pm
      • I can confirm that getting perspective from both sides of any battle is very challenging for any INN reporter. Mostly the losing side of engagements will seem to think you are trying to troll them. Really most interviewees about something negative are their own worst enemy. They assume that I and other reporters are trying to troll them or kick them while they’re down. When doing something like a battle report I’m just looking for some highlights of how things went down, tactically and politically. You don’t have to give away secrets or in-depth details, just whatever could have been viewed by being there so that more people can experience the battle.
        If there is anyone in EVE or the Imperium that isn’t out to get you, it’s INN reporters. We want to be able to use you as a source in the future, so why would we just do a hit piece on you or your organization? I don’t care if you’re even Co2. When it comes to doing a round of fact finding, we’re not going to take a dump on our sources. However, if the organizations or individuals are rude or stonewall us, then we’ll probably judge them more harshly.

        August 6, 2017 at 1:55 pm
    • Anaan Antar Logan

      If you think you can do better INN is always looking for staff.

      August 5, 2017 at 2:52 pm
  • Jump Clone

    (sorry for my bad Engrish) Serious question here : in our localized forums, some people said that the Goons bowed to CCP asking no to hear about the so-obvious casinos RMT. So, I wonder : is hearing once again about the so-obvious Casino RMT the end of such a truce ?

    August 4, 2017 at 4:17 pm
    • Moomin Amatin Jump Clone

      No problem with your English at all dear and thank you for using it.

      The Imperium works for its members and not CCP. Time and time again we have tried as a group to help the quality of life for all players on all sides. There was no agreement that I am aware of that has ever been made with CCP about casinos, RMT or anything else on the part of The Imperium.

      So quite simply, there was never a truce in place. The Imperium will continue to ruin the game of our enemies, but not the game itself.

      August 4, 2017 at 6:32 pm
      • Jump Clone Moomin Amatin

        Thanks alot for your reply. In fact, various sources mention that former Imperium managers from SMA had “found” RMT accounting files that the Imperium prolly also has. Will they end up made public one day ?

        August 4, 2017 at 6:37 pm
        • Moomin Amatin Jump Clone

          I am pretty sure that there is stuff already available about the shady dealings of some of the SMA leadership. It is times like this that I wish INN had a search feature. But you can also find a lot of the information over on Reddit. So in answer to your question, it is already public in the main but you are going to have to search for it a bit.

          August 4, 2017 at 6:50 pm
  • Lrrp

    My thoughts are these. Having been thru more wars than most here, even with my 2 year hiatus from the game, I’ve learned Goons will take back what they view as theirs. I was there helping back when Goons took back Deklein. I see similarities today, Goons being forced from their ancestral home and by Moomin’s OP I can see shades of the old War in the North. Baby steps at first but with slow incremental trans-migrational movement to the north. PanLam is going to realize when the smoke clears that they screwed up when they didn’t hound the Bee’s to death and allowed them to flourish down south. I suspect there will be a trail of broken supercaps all the way to Deklein.
    How much do I believe this to be true? Enough to re-up in Eve and sign up with SA forums just to be able to join a Goonswarm corp to help out. I still have 2 carriers and a dread parked in a enemy station (left there when I quit as it was then friendly). The Dread has seen action when Deklein was first Liberated, and used in B-R to give PL’s panties a tickling.
    While I don’t know if enough time will pass for the requirements for joining the swarm will be met I look forward to being part of another historic series of battles during the Bees Great March north.

    August 4, 2017 at 11:44 pm
    • Moomin Amatin Lrrp

      The Imperiujm of today is somewhat different from that of old. It is a more open and welcoming place, with Karma Fleet and Ascendance both willing to foster new players and returning older ones. But the internal “culture” is still there. Although matured considerably as we have mellowed with age.

      Anyhoo good luck with your journey and see you on the battle front.

      August 5, 2017 at 12:25 am
  • Hower Nightingale

    I wouldnt go with “our dunkirk”. How about our treaty of Versailles?
    If the Casino war was the first world war, then this one is the preample of the second one. Many smaller conflicts ultimately escalating.

    August 5, 2017 at 8:24 am
    • Moomin Amatin Hower Nightingale

      You can use what ever you like dear. None of the war comparisons really fit that well. I think that they main bit for me is that The Imperium never surrendered. So this is simply another phase of the same conflict.

      August 6, 2017 at 2:24 pm
  • Rhivre

    Yes, I think Moomin should get involved beyond flying FYF frigates in Eve 😉

    August 5, 2017 at 10:37 am
  • Markonius Porkbutte

    You know something has the sound of truthiness when people go out of their way to comment and disagree with just how truthy this is. Good job Moomin. It’s entertaining how butt blasted everyone gets when you call their precious World War Bee “The Casino War.”

    August 5, 2017 at 7:18 pm
  • Daniël van den Hoek

    “This is all from the perspective of an F1 Monkey though”

    He even says it’s his own perspective dude, don’t read it if you don’t like it?

    August 6, 2017 at 9:54 am
  • Ghost Dansing

    That is a very nice, comprehensive article Moomin Amatin. I was wondering what was going on in EVE. What is an “F1 Monkey”?

    August 6, 2017 at 10:45 am
    • Rhivre Ghost Dansing

      An F1 monkey is a term used by some people to describe line members in DPS ships.

      August 6, 2017 at 11:47 am
    • Moomin Amatin Ghost Dansing

      Glad you liked it dear and tyvm for saying so.

      August 6, 2017 at 2:20 pm
  • davor safranko

    The casino war is not a good name for this war. This war is like watching a magician or an illusionist work , every move that mittani does every operiation we start is like you buy a ticket and watch harry houdini work on one side you are showing the enemy what he has too see while your pulling a rabbit out of their hat its a real pleasure too watch this show and i hope we can see the final illusion in the war of illusions 🙂

    August 6, 2017 at 9:32 pm
    • Moomin Amatin davor safranko

      That is your choice to make dear. So do suggest your own.

      The point of choosing the name was simply that The Imperium never signed a treaty of any sort. I myself still felt that The Casino War was ongoing. The Imperium were simply re-tooling in the ancestral homelands of Delve.

      I am really liking this feel of “The Casino War: The Imperium Strikes Back” thing that seems to be happening though – heh.

      August 7, 2017 at 6:13 am
  • Moomin Amatin

    You are most welcome and thank you kindly for your comment.

    August 7, 2017 at 6:13 am
  • digitalebola

    So there is a thing happening? And you say people are going to F1 about it?

    August 8, 2017 at 7:50 pm
    • Rhivre digitalebola

      I have heard there is some F1 mashing going on. With things happening very slowly in space.

      August 8, 2017 at 8:40 pm