Folly and Hypocrisy in PAPI’s Extinction Campaign


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Folly and Hypocrisy in PAPI’s Extinction Campaign

The union of PanFam and Legacy Coalition (PAPI) has fought The Imperium for nine months.  PAPI leaders have explained their motives in shifting and contradictory ways, with legions of their Reddit warriors furiously pounding fists into keyboards to explain how their contradictions only appear contradictory due to Imperium spin.

TEST leaders progodlegend (PGL) and Vily stated that they are embarking on a “war of extermination” to drive The Imperium’s leader The Mittani and his entire alliance out of the game, and that their ultimate goal is to inherit everything their enemies owned, like an envious younger brother who simply must possess all the things his older sibling once had so that he no longer feels inferior.  Vily stated in November 2020 that TEST would abandon its previous territory to live in The Imperium’s regions, but PGL directly contradicted him one month later, saying that TEST would actually keep everything they had before and simply own half of nullsec after the war.

Meanwhile, Gobbins, the de facto leader of PanFam, said four months ago that his only remaining goal in the war was to siege The Imperium’s home system of 1DQ1-A, before later announcing that he actually intends to grind through 26 more Keepstars in Delve before (maybe) getting around to the promised sack of 1DQ1-A.  Given the pace of PAPI’s Keepstar kills up to this point, that should only take him another two or three years.

Noraus, leader of Winter Coalition and an ally of PAPI, has predicted that PAPI will be a long-term fixture of nullsec, meaning that PAPI’s nearly perfect “blue donut” – traditionally regarded as the scourge of nullsec stagnation – will not go away after the war as Gobbins previously hinted.

Multiple leaders of the BRAVE alliance admitted in leaked chat-logs that they do not believe the war is in their long-term interest but that they nevertheless deceived their line members with what Dunk Dinkle characterized as “modified spin” to justify sacrificing their longtime home in Catch to help out PGL and Vily with their war in Delve.

Perhaps someone should put the leaders of PAPI in touch with one another.

“Bad for EVE,” “Good for EVE,” “Cultural Differences,” etc.

Every campaign features hyperbole from opposing sides about what’s “bad for EVE” and “good for EVE,” as well as ridiculous exaggerations about “cultural differences” between the opponents.  This war is no different in that respect.  However, we might observe that PAPI’s plans for nullsec are very curious in light of their conspicuous navel-gazing about what is “good for EVE.”

PAPI currently controls nearly all of conquerable nullsec.  Their plan for the war, as expressed by their own alliance leaders, is to decimate The Imperium, eliminate their only significant competitor from the nullsec power equation, and split the map between themselves while (according to Noraus) remaining friends forever with no significant power blocs left to fight.

(A similar scenario emerged in J-Space when Inner Hell, Hard Knocks, and LAZERHAWKS teamed up to form an unconquerable monstrosity that now controls wormhole space so completely that they have nothing else to do besides curb-stomp small alliances out of boredom).

Is that good for EVE?  Bad for EVE?  Just cultural differences?

Hunting Bison

Bear with me for an analogy.  (And yes, those who have followed my articles and comments at INN will note that I frequently ridicule historical analogies for EVE but am now using one myself.  Fair criticism.  But at least this is not Sun Tzu or WWII).

Between 1800 and 1900, hunters in the United States and Canada reduced the population of American bison from 60,000,000 to 300 through sheer wanton gluttony.  They weren’t content to enjoy themselves with the challenge of a good hunt or the sport of demonstrating skill against a worthy opponent.  It was, as TEST leaders PGL and Vily would say, a “war of extermination.”  And for the next hundred years, all the hunters who might have wanted to have a chance to stalk one of those bison were left standing around and staring at their shoes wondering why there weren’t any bison left to shoot.

The moral of the story is that when The Imperium went to war against Circle of Two (and GOTG for sheltering them) and Northern Coalition in Tribute, we just had our fun and then left our enemies to rebuild so we could come back later for more of the same.  We didn’t hunt them to extinction.  We didn’t pursue them to Malpais with the intent to destroy literally everything they had.  The Cloud Ring and Tribute campaigns featured about 90 days of active strategic fighting.  We killed some big things, laughed about it, posted our stupid Reddit memes, and went back home after we’d made our point.

But PAPI is determined to live right on top of The Imperium until we are gone.  And what will they hunt at that point?  Have they even thought about that?  Do they plan to do the J-Space routine of walloping puny opponents with their giant “blue donut” once they’ve finally succeeded in completely obliterating their only significant adversary?  Maybe sit around in their Keepstars turning the camera up and down on the titans that no longer have a purpose?

PAPI is a Farce

Despite its frequent wordsmithing about “Imperium spin” and things that are “good for EVE,” PAPI is working hard to promote everything that contradicts its own stated ideals.  Even if the goals of Gobbins – so far the most restrained leader within the coalition – come to pass, The Imperium will be effectively done and PAPI will control all of sov nullsec with no competition.

If that’s what PAPI means by “cultural differences,” then I guess I’m glad to be on the other side of those differences.

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  • Moomin Amatin

    The hypocrisy has to be one of the best bits for me, it truly is some of the best comedy I have seen to date in Eve. But the stagers of PAPI now talk of “greatly weakening” The Imperium and apparently the “extermination” bit was just hyperbole and should not have been taken seriously. PAPI have said a lot in this war. They said a lot in the Casino War as well. But the best bit is that PAPI talk of saving Eve while they line up rental agreements.

    March 23, 2021 at 8:31 AM
  • chimpy

    If only there was an example of what effect a perfect blue donuit has upon the game and players. Never mind if it gets too bad we can all go over to Serenity.

    March 23, 2021 at 9:54 AM
  • Havish Montak

    We all know this is to make the BOT DONUT. Serenity 2.0 is trying to break through the Warp and 1DQ1 is the Eternity gate. This is the Imperium’s last stand to save the whole galaxy from the Chaos (BOT) scourge.

    March 23, 2021 at 10:21 AM
  • Alaric Faelen

    Therein lies the core truth of a ‘war of extinction’……what will drive GSF, and indeed everyone eventually, from the game is making it suck. Doesn’t matter what group accomplishes it- the end of sov as a free space and the cuckolding of all of Eve as a result will just make it a game not worth playing any more than playing on Serenity was worth the time and effort.
    Given the completion of the blue donut, I expect a lot of people actually will quit Eve. Not because being defeated in a war made them quit- that happens every few years- but that the world post-war isn’t one worth sinking more time or effort into.

    March 23, 2021 at 12:51 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Alaric Faelen

      at this point the only reason I still play is for the 1dq1 fight papi keeps promising to bring so we can smoke piles of their supers and titans, CCP has fucked this game up completely the last few years, and if it wasn’t for goons asking people to come back and fight in the biggest war to date I wouldn’t be playing. CCP is doing a far better job killing eve and goons along with it than vily on his best day.

      March 26, 2021 at 9:36 PM
  • yogizh

    Have fun living in a slave pen Eve. I am not surprised by this outcome. People let history repeat itself, no matter how grim it might be. CCP ran nullsec to the ground anyway. They will never chase us around the galaxy to “exterminate” us entirely, they will not be that motivated if they succesfully siege 1dq-.

    People who are standing against that kind of force for 9 months won’t freak over living in npc space or whatever. If Goons ever leave Eve it will be the doing of CCP not enemy players, that is my humble opinion.

    March 23, 2021 at 1:41 PM
  • Noob

    Repeating the “war of extermination” trope ad nauseam is as dumb as saying all goons want to ruin your game.

    Both are based upon something some guy said at one point, so applying it universally forever is simply and utterly retarded.

    March 23, 2021 at 3:41 PM
    • Moomin Amatin Noob

      Agreed, yet for some reason it was perfectly fine to be repeated by PAPI members for over 4 months. Then as Christmas approached and the battle of FWST the realisation that The Imperium was going nowhere started to sink in for some. Then the PAPI narrative started to change. I was no longer asked what game I would be playing once I had been stopped from playing Eve.

      Meanwhile the blue donut can be contacted for great rental terms on new space opening up for rent.

      March 23, 2021 at 4:19 PM
    • Guilford Australis Noob

      PAPI leadership: “Our war objectives are to exterminate Goons, drive The Mittani and Goonswarm out of EVE, and destroy everything they own – which we are currently doing.”

      PAPI line members: “All this talk of extermination is Goon spin.”

      Now square that circle for me.

      March 23, 2021 at 5:29 PM
    • yyyeah I’m not going to let you handwave the space racism that started this.

      March 25, 2021 at 4:21 PM
  • Dripple

    Based on this article and comments, one could think that Vily is closer to he’s ultimate goal than people thought.
    I hoped goons would atleast become next Mordus Angels before giving up.

    March 23, 2021 at 7:19 PM
    • Moomin Amatin Dripple

      So you are saying that The Imperium should give up and pay rent to NC? As that is what Mordus Angels did before they went off and joined Co2 I think it was. Then of course Co2 was killed by PanFam and Gigx with a decent amount of help from The Legacy.

      I think The Mittani has made it clear that a stand will be made in 1DQ and that if The Imperium loses there then they will stage out from NPC Delve. Renting is not an option from what I can gather.

      March 23, 2021 at 8:54 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Dripple

      “one could think that Vily is closer to he’s ultimate goal than people thought.”

      You mean the one where he drives all goons from the game? Because that was his stated “ultimate goal”…

      March 26, 2021 at 9:30 PM