FCON Sides With Traitors: “C02 As A Whole Isn’t A Bad Group”

Alexander "The Mittani" Gianturco 2016-12-28

Fidelas Constans has reached a new low: not merely did they flee the war theater during the Casino War after the infamous and shameful backstabbing of the Imperium by Circle of Two, FCON has now joined sides with those very traitors to assault StainWagon – the same StainWagon who were allied with the Imperium during the Casino War!

The following exercise in excuse-making and casuistry was posted today by Tarkinius, the leader of FCON. We warn our readers with delicate stomachs that the following paragraphs may induce uncontrollable projectile vomiting:

“As for CO2 (and FCON’s history with them) I completely understand that many people will be upset us working alongside them. I myself do not and will not trust Gigx again. That is why I am working through Vily from TEST, he is an upstanding individual who keeps his word once given. I have faith in him to honor any agreements (and the intent of the agreements). As for the rest of CO2, I would never blame the members of an organization for staying loyal to their group and their friends. CO2 as a whole isn’t a bad group, and I would much prefer a good group of people with a leader I mistrust as a neighbor than one that is actively hostile to us and plans to wipe us off the map at the first opportunity.”

INN reached out to a high-ranking Imperium official on deep background for comment; our source only stated the following: “Fuck FCON.


At 20:00 eve time today our coalition, alongside Gemico, Vanguard, TestCo2, the Drone Walkers, and the Catch resistance alliances have stated our intentions to Stain to go to war with them beginning on the 1st of the coming year. This timeline complies with the requirements of the NIP agreement we have with Stain.

Why go to war? And why with Stain? For a multitude of reasons. (I’d like to point out to the reddit users who will read this when it eventually gets leaked that yes, this is a biased accounting of things. Of course it is. I’m looking at it from my perspective, and you know the saying: You judge others by their actions and yourself by your intentions. I can only state what I’ve seen.)

Firstly, Stain has abused the terms of our NIP far past the breaking point at every opportunity. They openly attack structures inside our sov and place their own to stage from. They flaunt the rules by allowing neutral alts to camp, and hire groups to harass our ADM levels. They have worked with their allies to build up a large military force inside Catch over the last few months, with (until the last 2 weeks) our coalition being the only obvious target of those assets. They have spent the last several months attempting to create drama and divisions within our coalition, while at the same time running a PR campaign using twisted truths and lies to give the impression that the Phoenix Federation cannot be trusted. This is a classic eve strategy used pre-invasion to undermine the morale and support for a targeted group. This history of hostility is obviously rooted in the outcome of our last war and, and despite the time that has past since then, it has only grown worse.

The second point builds on the first. Removing an actively hostile group from our border (which has a much larger group supporting them) allows us to go on and do bigger and better things ourselves without having to constantly stress about home defenses of sov. We can go have some real fun as a coalition, creating new friends (and enemies) while looking for opportunities that benefit us in the long run, rather than babysit the western border of our space.

Third: Eve nullsec is about war. If you are not a renter, your purpose in nullsec is tied to fighting for sov. Whether you mine, build, research, rat, fight, or lead your goal is to fight over sov space. We won’t always own the sov we have now, sooner or later someone bigger and badder than us will come take it from us. But then we go fight for some other nullsec sov. That’s how it works. Today we’re on the offensive, tomorrow it may be the defensive.

Why help Test and CO2 invade? Why not take the sov ourselves?

This is a very complicated question with many answers. The basic one is simple: We want to win this war (mainly for the first reason listed above). If we struck out to invade Stain solely for our own benefit, even with the might of Gemico and Vanguard supporting us (as they all hate Stain and would love to see them wiped off the map), Stain could have offered TEST/CO2 our space in return for helping them beat us. As there would be no incentive for them fighting with us, they would be against us. Then we would face Stain, their allies in the west, TEST, and CO2 at the same time with us on the front lines of a defensive war. That would be falling on a sword.

As for CO2 (and FCON’s history with them) I completely understand that many people will be upset us working alongside them. I myself do not and will not trust Gigx again. That is why I am working through Vily from TEST, he is an upstanding individual who keeps his word once given. I have faith in him to honor any agreements (and the intent of the agreements). As for the rest of CO2, I would never blame the members of an organization for staying loyal to their group and their friends. CO2 as a whole isn’t a bad group, and I would much prefer a good group of people with a leader I mistrust as a neighbor than one that is actively hostile to us and plans to wipe us off the map at the first opportunity.

What do we get out of this war?

Well, beyond the removal of our biggest hostile neighbor, we are working on several other benefits. The first will be a much better NIP with whomever our new western neighbors are. Next, we will have the freedom to act on our own to capture income sources elsewhere (tied back in to freeing up our pvp strength.) Third, to the victor go the spoils, but proportionately: If we want to have any say in the outcome of spoils from the war we need to have a direct and massive impact on the outcome. Get butts into fleets, we have a lot to prove as an organization. There are a couple of other things in the works but they are too tentative and early to discuss, but I am aiming at benefits for kicking ass for everyone who is there on the front line.

As for the post war situation, we do not know what it will be yet but some things are certain. We do not plan to create a blue donut, that’s for sure. We will get neighbor NIPs in place to cover the standard issues (camping, structures, sov, renters, etc) but expect standings to reset after the war is done.

Testing Ourselves

When the coalition first stood up, I stated that it was always going to be a place for organizations that may have struggled elsewhere to have a chance to grow and prove themselves in nullsec. This will remain true as long as I run the coalition. But there also needs to be a test of viability, to make sure no one is freeloading off the rest of the group. Early on in the Phoenix Federation’s life I asked the combined alliance CEOs to come up with a standard upon which we will measure whether an alliance is worthy of staying in the coalition. The standard was not set at a high level, we wanted to give growing groups a chance to pass a reasonable barrier of entry. We require this from each member to remain: During wartime, every sov holding alliance in the coalition is expected to participate at the rate of at least 1:1 fleet participation to character each month. Thus, an alliance of 1,000 characters must have people show up for fleets 1,000 times each month (IE 200 characters showing up 5 times each would satisfy this.) This may be a change for some organizations that do not push fleets hard, but this is wartime. None of us survive if any of us fail.

I look forward to seeing everyone on the battlefield. I know there will be plenty of questions regarding why and what, so feel free to put your questions below. Any uncivil comments will be ignored, this isn’t the place to create drama.

Service Guarantees Citizenship. Win this war with your fleets, or lose it by staying home. You are the coalition.

 

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Comments

  • Bill McDonough

    “That is why I am working through Vily from TEST, he is an upstanding individual who keeps his word once given. I have faith in him to honor any agreements (and the intent of the agreements).”

    And this only weeks after Vily cut a deal to not invade Catch.

    So much for honoring his agreements.

    December 28, 2016 at 9:59 pm
    • malikorDuskryn Bill McDonough

      They aren’t just attacking Catch they are attacking the rest of SW space.

      December 29, 2016 at 12:03 pm
  • stmpeters

    Oh Tarkinius, you are a sadly deluded individual. Test and CO2 have been pillaging your renters for a few weeks and now they’re your friends?

    December 28, 2016 at 10:10 pm
    • malikorDuskryn stmpeters

      Can you provide any proof? Because from what ive seen its been SW attacking out renters.

      December 29, 2016 at 12:02 pm
      • malikorDuskryn malikorDuskryn

        By the way to everyone downvoting me – i have proof of what im accusing but it seems that some cannot back up its arguments like this guy

        December 30, 2016 at 10:12 am
  • Stephanie Daugherty

    I’m amazed at how far FCON has fallen in such a short time. First they throw away their friends, then they band together with the very people who helped to destroy them. Tarkinius, I’m disappointed. One bad decision after another. Triumvirate, Co2, TEST? WTF are you thinking? Working with people who are just waiting to stab you in the back AGAIN? Disgusting.

    December 28, 2016 at 10:15 pm
    • malikorDuskryn Stephanie Daugherty

      Er they are Blue to the Entire DRF/Gemco so i think they are doing well

      December 29, 2016 at 12:04 pm
      • Sidrat Flush malikorDuskryn

        They may have blue status, but does that mean they’re actual allies or a meat shield being allowed to kip on the couch for a bit.

        Either FCON and/or CO2 get a foothold in the south and defend it long enough to make the attackers bored and go away, allowing them to regroup and recruit or the exodus of membership count means they won’t have the bodies to attack, let alone defend the ADM’s.

        Then there’s the recruitment process to mitigate (or abuse) any potential spies from entering member corps.

        Of course the Imperium and allies will be doing their best to prevent this from happening as that is what good allies do. Plus it’s an opportunity to demonstrate that FCON and CO2′ decision to part ways with the Imperium when the going got tough to be an incorrect decision by a fallible leadership that doesn’t really have the best interest of their line members when it comes to creating and managing content.

        December 29, 2016 at 3:56 pm
  • FroggyStorm

    Can any of our wise math and graph shaman let us know how that 1:1 bar stacks up to reality?

    I know during older wars, getting cake was always a fairly easy thing, under foz-sov it seems a great deal harder.

    The perception of corporation shed being that an aliance is failing being what it is, I wonder if this is preemptive damage control, or a threat to the fat trim?

    And what level of ping will count? As a prior skirmish level FC a dozen folks to chase a gang was still a ping and a pap, so any ambitious (read disingenuous) corp FC could in theory inflate their numbers on less than useful fleets.

    December 28, 2016 at 10:19 pm
    • Grella K FroggyStorm

      I’ve not had problems getting paps ever if I wanted them with GSF. When I was in FCON, getting the three paps a month in USTZ was almost impossible. I doubt that has changed.

      December 28, 2016 at 10:29 pm
    • Damocles Orindus FroggyStorm

      A 1:1 participation ratio is pretty garbage during peacetime, let alone war time.

      December 28, 2016 at 11:38 pm
  • ANGRYNECKBEARD

    Rest FCON

    December 28, 2016 at 10:33 pm
  • Moomin Amatin

    I cannot help but wonder if this is a demonstration of how weak FCON currently are. To align themselves with a group that openly betrayed them and to cancel a NIP so early in its life simply seems weak. I am also enjoying TEST declare that once they have won they will go back to BLOPSing FCON at the earliest opportunity.

    December 29, 2016 at 1:31 am
    • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

      salt prices crashing

      December 29, 2016 at 3:28 am
      • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

        I am not surprised with the amount of salt you have produced.

        So just to recap:

        Co2 – Turned traitor at a critical time after planning the back stab for many months. Also beloved Suas and other randoms somehow being in the management team.

        FCON – In essence they gave up on their allies and ran for the hills. Amusingly it was the Co2 backstab that led them to making this decision. Just to top it off they are aligning with one of the groups that caused them to move.

        Test – Fought bravely against the PanFam for Vale, oh no hold on they did not. They just upped and ran. PGL seems to want to rebuild Nulli Secunda. All in all you have to wonder if Test are having an identity crisis.

        WALKA – To be fair a relatively untested entity. Who knows what they can bring and how well they can play with the self serving antics of their war partners.

        Some noises about others wishing to come and help out Test et al. Oddly enough from the very same people who made them leave their space in the north. Personally I hope this is the case as Test and friends accepting this assistance would stain themselves with a taint that would be far from a tribute to their legacy.

        Let the games begin!

        December 29, 2016 at 4:45 am
        • malikorDuskryn Moomin Amatin

          Wow you are stupid.

          >Co2 – Turned traitor at a critical time after planning the back
          >stab for? many months. Also beloved Suas and other randoms >somehow being in the management team.

          The didn’t plan it for months. You are believing your own propaganda. If they wanted to flip why didn’t they do it at the start of the war and hit your sov quickly?? It was a random choice more than anything else. Anyway you would know all about backstabbing when you attacked TEST in fountain

          >FCON – In essence they gave up on their allies and ran for the >hills. Amusingly it was the Co2 backstab that led them to making >this decision. Just to top it off they are aligning with one of the >groups that caused them to move.

          They left the coalition. They didnt backstab. Its just the changing politics of EVE.

          >Test – Fought bravely against the PanFam for Vale, oh no hold >on they did not. They just upped and ran. PGL seems to want to >rebuild Nulli Secunda. All in all you have to wonder if Test are >having an identity crisis.

          That is just stupid. You think there is a conspiracy going on? Or maybe they just got evicted? And rebuilding Nulli. Sure that would be cool (and i would definitely join) but he doesn’t hold the key to the alliance. Gorga does and he isn’t active atm.

          December 29, 2016 at 11:59 am
          • Moomin Amatin malikorDuskryn

            “It was a random choice more than anything else.”

            So you are saying GigX is prone to making random choices in the decisions he makes for his alliance. Also have a check to see what happened to The OSS during the “Backstabbers Brawl”, especially their sov. Do remember though that The OSS is Suas’s old alliance that he swore he would have good relations with until the end of time.

            I was in Test during that particular Fountain war. I know all about the actions of Test at that time and anyone willing to check will also know quite easily.

            The rebuilding of Nulli was in reference to Piggles own desire to possibly do so under the Test banner.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:17 pm
          • malikorDuskryn Moomin Amatin

            There was some factors leading up to it. Like the treatment of CO2, GSF failing to actively defend sov, etc. But when i said random choice i was talking about the fact that that you were talking about them choosing to do it months before. And that isnt the case

            Also The OSS is a part of The Circle of Test Coalition. And it will be taking space down south.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:41 pm
          • Moomin Amatin malikorDuskryn

            My comment about The OSS was that during the “Backstabbers Brawl” they went rather unmolested. MC took the sov but left the important ihubs and stations all intact. Think a little about what the purpose of The OSS is and why Suas and his founding corp left them.

            The comment by ER0X covers you other point really. If you are in talks with hostiles in order to preserve the space you are in then a certain commitment has already been made.

            December 29, 2016 at 3:50 pm
      • I find it amusing that this is your first comment. Not a statement on the article itself, just a dig at Moomin, in all likelihood just because WAS Moomin.

        You carry around an epic level of saltiness that you can’t help but rub in every cut someone gives you. None of your comments are ever productive, even when people genuinely try to get a response from you.

        December 29, 2016 at 6:20 am
        • Moomin Amatin Lekly

          Sure, I will bite on that one.

          So Seraph the Spinner, will Co2 be passing on the information soon about FCON capitals to PanFam like they did but mere months ago?

          December 29, 2016 at 10:07 am
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            It’ll happen every time they have shitty allies that undermine them like they used to.

            The irony of being in Mitten’s alliance and calling me a “Spinner.” Okay.

            December 29, 2016 at 10:22 am
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            So this is a warning from Co2 to their valued allies? If any of them under perform in the eyes of Co2 then Co2 will be handing details over to the hostiles and Co2 will also look to flip?

            December 29, 2016 at 10:35 am
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            Talk about spinning. No. If allies would act against Co2 as Goons did, Co2 reserves the right to have a spine and stand up for itself. I know you’re trying to get some out of context quote but try to be less obvious about it at least.

            December 29, 2016 at 11:00 am
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            You merely prove my point here. The Imperium did defend Co2. The Imperium did advise to get to Saranen given what was being lined up against them. Co2 were in talks about flipping the end of 2015, you should know as you claim to have been central to the matter.

            Given the answer you have so kindly given I would think that many would consider your reply “spin”.

            December 29, 2016 at 11:43 am
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            Co2 was not in talks about flipping in late 2015. We were discussing matters. Da Winci’s mindset was that the CFC was going to dissolve regardless of what they did. And they wanted to rebuild a mini coalition with lawn and bastion in tribute and vale. Co2 had no intention of flipping until those two alliances had that meeting with mittani and abandoned the sov. There were countless other issues with cfc matters and how the coalition operated. Otherwise SMA, EXE, RZR, FCON would have stayed.

            This notion that co2 are just evil lousy liars that are traitors exists only in the gooniesphere of unreason and unlogic.

            December 29, 2016 at 11:59 am
          • Ha ha ha… Oh bby its not you its me. We’re not splitting up I just think we should see other people that’s all. Ha ha ha ha.

            You just confirmed Moomins charge by informing everyone that CO2 were instigating talks with the intention to destabilize the Coalition from within so that you could skip off into the sunset as a mini Coalition. Presumably that was with Gigx and Suas at the helm. The others you mention realised that with the weight of numbers arrayed against them that sticking with the Imperium gave them the better chance of recouping any lost ground, perhaps in some other area, and so the CO2 offer was not a move they cared to make.

            That looks to have been a smart move on their part when you consider the current state of affairs. That being CO2 are a homeless pariah desperately trying to be relevant.

            December 29, 2016 at 12:37 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab ER0X

            No erox…nobody was trying to destabilize the coalition from within. The assumption was simply that the cfc would dissolve by itself. Stop spinning. Also SUAS wasn’t even in Co2 at the time, nor was I. If you could stop a second from the dictated narrative you might actually learn something.

            December 29, 2016 at 12:40 pm
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            Seraph Spin for the win.

            If you could stop and even think for a second about the contradictory nonsense you write that would be just fine as well.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:10 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            Contradiction such as what?

            December 29, 2016 at 2:15 pm
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            Let me try to do this for you, yet again.

            At points you claim you do not know as you were not in Co2.

            At other times you claim you do know stuff despite you not being in Co2.

            Before you go with your usual “prove it” routine I will let you know that the proof is already there in your very extensive posting history. People need only look for it in any of the numerous places you like to see your name appear, or your reddit account.

            Do pay attention dear boy.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:39 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            What did I say I was not aware of because I was not in Co2?

            December 29, 2016 at 9:26 pm
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            Co2 by your own and extensive words were in talks with hostiles. For some reason your mini coalition idea does not hold water as both Bastion and Lawn came to Delve with the rest of The Imperium.

            As for “evil lousy liars”, well there is a liar here, one that is well proven to be so.

            Time will tell on all of this though. It will be very interesting to see how Co2 cope with this most interesting direction that they are taking. I mean what could possibly go wrong?

            December 29, 2016 at 12:41 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            What is it with you and using the same phrasing. “By your own extensive words”…anyway.

            Yes both bastion and lawn did go to delve which is why Co2 chose to stay behind in Tribute. And it wasn’t my idea. I wasn’t in Co2 at the time.

            December 29, 2016 at 12:49 pm
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            I am merely stating a fact when I use that phrase, as indeed the words you have used on the matter have been quite extensive. If only you had used the truth in a similar liberal fashion.

            Co2 decided to stay in Tribute well before the call to move to Delve was made. More Seraph spin here?

            I am also loving how one moment you are saying you cannot comment as you were not in Co2 at the time. Then when you think it furthers your efforts you suddenly know everything about a matter.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:01 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            No Co2 decided to stay in Tribute well before Goons left for lowsec. Pay attention.

            I didn’t say I couldn’t comment. I said it wasn’t my idea to form a mini coalition with bastion and lawn. Pay attention.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:16 pm
          • Moomin Amatin SeraphIXBasarab

            “No Co2 decided to stay in Tribute well before Goons left for lowsec.”

            So despite the rest of the coalition making the sensible move Co2 felt that they knew best? Well that does sound out of character. This does again only simply confirm that Co2 were laying the ground to stay in Tribute no matter the deal they got. So how did that work out for them?

            December 29, 2016 at 2:36 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab Moomin Amatin

            They grew quite a bit, got a few strong allies, and by defending against NCPL they got enough credibility that now we have even more allies. So pretty good.

            December 29, 2016 at 9:22 pm
          • Whitehalo117 SeraphIXBasarab

            Credibility? I don’t follow, can you please explain?

            December 30, 2016 at 2:29 am
          • SeraphIXBasarab Whitehalo117

            I would have to explain credibility to a goon wouldn’t I…

            December 30, 2016 at 4:01 am
          • Whitehalo117 SeraphIXBasarab

            Ok I can clearly gauge your understanding of basic conversation from merely reading this exchange. Honestly speaking, It was a true measure of your intelligence. So let me help you out here, because clearly there is a learning gap that needs to be addressed.

            What Moomin is trying to convey to you, is that you contradict yourself every time you post a comment. Sometimes you do it within the same comment itself even. Does that help you out a little bit?

            I mean I don’t know a whole lot about the writing process though, but I would think such a renowned and famous writer from EN24 would read his own comments? Especially before hitting the Post Comment button. I don’t know, maybe that’s just a crazy concept to you. I mean who are we though to tell you how to have a logical coherent debate with some on the internet? Someone so famous such as yourself.

            December 30, 2016 at 2:11 am
          • SeraphIXBasarab Whitehalo117

            Ok if it’s so obvious you should be able to quote two lines from me that contradict each other. Feel free to do so. This time less jerking yourself off though. You’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

            December 30, 2016 at 4:01 am
          • Whitehalo117 SeraphIXBasarab

            Quote 1.

            “It’ll happen every time they have shitty allies that undermine them like they used to.

            The irony of being in Mitten’s alliance and calling me a “Spinner.” Okay.”

            Quote 2.

            “they wanted to rebuild a mini coalition with lawn and bastion in tribute and vale. Co2 had no intention of flipping until those two alliances had that meeting with mittani and abandoned the sov.”

            SO, these are two quotes un altered, that deffinitly contradict one another.

            Correct me if I’m wrong here but, you are implying in the first quote that we (goons) where shitty allies for undermining CO2. However in the second quote, you provide a statement contradicting the first. You state that CO2 where attempting to get Lawn and Bastion to leave and join their own “mini coalition.”

            So you say we underminded CO2 right? However you provide no example of how the Coalition that provided them space, and fostered their growth (since they joined the CFC), and defended their space undermineded them as an organization. Yet you provide just one of many perfect examples of how CO2 was attempting to undermine the integrity of the Imperium.

            You also implied you don’t spin things to benefit your sides agenda, but I mean come on now. Let’s be real Seraph….

            December 30, 2016 at 5:27 pm
          • malikorDuskryn Moomin Amatin

            At the moment, Circle of TEST has not much to lose. They have no sov. They have supers and stuff. But they can be docked in Keepstars and they are protected when they are docked by asset safety. On the other hand StainWagon has renters, Space and Supers/capitals. They have more to lose. Plus you are going against Drone Region Federation (aka GEMCO) + Vanguard Phoenix Federation + Drone Walkers + Circle of TEST. Thats a lot of supers. Drone Region Federation has either the most or the second most supers in the game. I dont think StainWagon can stop an attack that big. Even with red menace and The CFC/Imperiums help

            December 29, 2016 at 12:54 pm
          • Moomin Amatin malikorDuskryn

            I am not so sure of that. I think in the long run Test will be fine but I am less sure about the others. You are correct you can dock supers and titans in a Keepstar, but in order to do so you actually need to have access to a Keepstar. There is the one owned by MC in Basgerin of course, but Co2 have already declared them back stabbers. So I am not sure of the wisdom in parking your cap fleet on a hostile asset.

            The numbers facing Stain Wagon are impressive, especially if you take into account others who are likely to jump in to “assist” Test and pals. But Stain Wagon are quick to point out that this is a path they have had to walk before.

            No matter what, how this story will unfold will be very interesting.

            December 29, 2016 at 2:08 pm
          • Sidrat Flush SeraphIXBasarab

            “Co2 was not in talks about flipping in late 2015. We were discussing matters.”

            This line made me laugh rather loudly. What’s the difference between the two exactly? It sounds exactly the same.

            You were given advice from an ally in order to be able to group together in a stronger and more defensible area yet, you went against that advice because?

            Unreason and Unlogic would be leaving your allies in order to save your space only to lose it to the very people you were originally fighting against in the original coalition.

            Why should your line members believe your narrative when alternatives exist and make more sense?

            December 29, 2016 at 3:38 pm
          • SeraphIXBasarab Sidrat Flush

            First off I wasn’t in Co2 at the time. I was actually the one contacting Co2 in order to defect. And the difference between talking and actually doing anything was that Co2 had no intention to defect. I know because I wanted them to be the fire that lit the fuse to the cfc collapsing.

            December 29, 2016 at 9:30 pm
        • malikorDuskryn Lekly

          There is not much to say about the “Article” To be honest. Most of it is just the leaked speech.
          First we have a small paragraph setting up what some history.
          Then there is another paragraph setting up a quote from the leaked speech.
          Next you have a paragraph setting up a quote from a high ranking Imperium guy.
          Lastly you have the whole speech.

          December 29, 2016 at 1:11 pm
          • The article is reporting the speech. The speech itself says a lot, both directly and indirectly.

            December 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm
    • malikorDuskryn Moomin Amatin

      SW has been attacking FCON, Sending members to attack by getting them to leave corp and when they are finished rejoining again. They have violated the NIP multiple times – attacking SOV structures. Its just that FCON has had enough and they dont want their space taken. It makes sense.

      December 29, 2016 at 12:33 pm
  • Anschau

    More skulls for the skull throne!

    December 29, 2016 at 3:22 am
  • malikorDuskryn

    At least link to the reddit post where i leaked it…

    December 29, 2016 at 11:50 am
  • Gla Frite

    Well I also heard the “Goons as a whole isn’t a bad group” that I’m almost sure it’s spindoctoring materials coming from some Propaganda Industrial Array in Reddiland

    December 29, 2016 at 2:26 pm
  • waltari

    still that “backstab” butthurt, it never gets old, does it?

    December 29, 2016 at 10:54 pm
  • Reconone

    your a piece of work Alex…..and these people are continually blinded by your crap man. One day……. everyone will see you.

    December 31, 2016 at 3:57 pm