CCP Falcon: Erebus, Rev inappropriately moved out of UALX


Senior Community Manager CCP Falcon confirmed on Reddit Sunday that a junior game manager moved a titan and dreadnought out of UALX-3 after inappropriate “stuck” tickets were filed.

Pandemic Legion fleet commander Doomchinchilla had boasted on Twitter, praising CCP for moving Erebus pilot Serxis out of harm’s way. Falcon said alliances had told their members to file support tickets to CCP in hopes they would move the attackers’ super fleet out of UALX, and out of the way of bubbles that prevent jumping out of the system.

After an internal review, however, the Erebus and its pilot were sent back to UALX, where it was likely logged off after the system node crashed during the massive titan firefight on July 19.

“The Revelation and its pilot were not relocated because in the interim the ship had been returned to a corporation hangar, before being picked up for use by another pilot. This would have been grossly unfair on the new pilot of the ship,” Falcon wrote in a Reddit post, noting that he was posting there instead of in a developer blog or on the game’s official forums.

A Council of Stellar Management member from Northern Coalition, who wasn’t named in the Reddit post but would likely be the only NC. member on the CSM, Killah Bee, reportedly told members that his “contact at CCP says that the node will not be back before downtime.”

Falcon clarified that CCP would never give out information like this to preserve fairness and prevent interference. He also said why CCP would not be helping pilots leave the system. The system node crashed before downtime, but then came back online with about an hour to spare before the daily server shutdown.

“Subsequently, when UALX-3 was once again up and stable, in the eyes of CCP, the attacking eastern forces made the conscious and tactical choice not to re-commit their assets to the fight before downtime,” Falcon said. “We therefore consider the choice not to reengage to be a tactical judgement made by the leadership of the attacking forces rather than a choice made under duress of technical issues which prevented a further engagement.”

In the days since the battle of UALX, most of the large attacking force in the eastern powers of NCPL, the Holy League/Rental Empire, Winter Coalition, and TRUMPY – along with numerous additional smaller entities have remained logged off in their supercapital ships, as well as many of their surviving force auxiliaries.

The defenders, made up of Legacy Coalition and The Imperium, have set up a permanent camp and bubbled zone where the original fight took place. Test Alliance Please Ignore Fleet Commander ProGodLegend said on Talking In Stations that he has seen some titans log in and jump out of UALX, however. That suggests there may be some ships that could escape the bubble camp if they log in.

Falcon also addressed allegations of exploits, including the much-referenced trick of logging in seconds before downtime, which could spawn a ship far from its original spot when the server comes back online. He said an exploit ticket must be filed, with full details, for CCP to take action.

“Fundamentally, it needs to be understood by both sides of this conflict that CCP will not be dragged into it or be involved in any way. Tactical judgments made by the alliances and coalitions involved in this ongoing conflict (either good or bad) are the burdens to bear of those who make the decisions,” Falcon said. “We will continue to provide and maintain the battlefield on which this conflict occurs, however we will in no way interfere with the sphere of combat or the participants involved unless it is found that pilots are involved in actual exploitation of game mechanics.

“It’s up to those involved to fight it out.”

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  • Garreth Vlox

    Its nice to see CCP step in and officially state what did and did not happen, how they made it as right as they could and how they will not be getting involved in the future.

    July 22, 2018 at 7:13 PM
  • reznorms

    “He said an exploit ticket must be filed, with full details, for CCP to take action.” And whats gonna happens if all those ships are gonna be moved to other pilots? Will it be “grossly unfair” to remove them, like the Rev? Nice to see Falcon saying something about the whole situation tho.

    July 22, 2018 at 7:48 PM
  • Good old PL: not clever enough to unearth their own exploits anymore, resorting to petitioning CCP instead. If you can’t cheat, beg, I guess.

    July 23, 2018 at 4:58 AM
  • Ravenid

    So a junior Dev…lets call him CCP Phalcon, moved the, sorry, “ACCIDENTALLY” moved the PL ships from the fight. This was “discovered” after Imperium/Legacy raised issues about possible devs doing exactly this. After flat out denying it for hours, saying it would never ever be done by ANY CCP Dev or GM, the CSM forces their hand and it turns out hey guess what Imperial Legacy were right.
    But it turns out CCP can only put one back in system because hey someone else got into the ship and CCP Falcon doesnt want to “Be unfair” to an Allied Alliance Capfleet member……sorry, sorry innocent valued member of the Eve community who gained a cap because it was wrongly moved from its location assisting one Alliance over another and 100% going against the NO MOVING JUMP CAPABLE SHIPS EVER rule.
    Screw the other guys who followed the rules, Hellcamped the system etc. , hell even the guys who had to fight their way out would be pissed about this.
    In CCP Falcon’s own words they are just “Retards.” Great choice of words for a Senior Community Manager.
    Not like they are a major portion of your playerbase or anything.
    So a precident has noew been set by CCP Falcon.
    All NC./PL (I would have said here all anyone has to do but thats obviously not true. Devs only give a shit about Alliances they have alts in so they only give a shit about NC./PL) have to do now if stuck again is petition and if they do get out follow the same procedure that lead to the Cap not being moved back and ANY mistakes by devs or GM’s CANNOT BE UNDONE going forward.
    CCP Falcon’s bias wins out again.

    July 23, 2018 at 11:39 AM
    • Johiah Ravenid

      Wow, salt much? It seems obvious to me that one titan out of several hundred tickets being moved is not a 1:1 ratio.

      July 23, 2018 at 6:03 PM
      • Garreth Vlox Johiah

        His point is falcon just gave NC/PL a freebie excuse to use from now on, dupe a dev to move your titan, then IMMEDIATELY exit the titan and give it to another player and have the, get it back into space and Falcon will investigate and say there is nothing he can do without being “unfair” to the current pilot of the titan.

        July 23, 2018 at 7:56 PM
        • Johiah Garreth Vlox

          Fairly certain that if it was done en masse, CCP would put their foot down. Even if Falcon sets a precedent, he can just ignore it. CCP is know for being pretty wishy washy anyways.

          July 23, 2018 at 11:28 PM
        • Axhind Garreth Vlox

          You do realise that he is not a GM?

          July 25, 2018 at 10:07 AM
  • Alaric Faelen

    Well anyone that has played the game for more than 10 minutes is wholly unsurprised NC/PL fall back on cheating as a first resort. Worthless alliance, worthless leadership.

    Go ahead and Grrr Goons all you want. Who keeps abusing game mechanics? NC/PL over and over. I guess when you have no hope in the universe of actually winning on your own, cheat the system.

    July 23, 2018 at 1:09 PM
  • concerned whiteman

    Savage CCP that pilot must have been pissed after having the titan moved back to UALX

    July 25, 2018 at 12:55 PM
  • What do you mean by everybody is cheating?

    July 26, 2018 at 3:34 PM