BRAVE Rolls the Dice on Querious


Art by Major Sniper

After weeks of publicly released and leaked information about Legacy member Brave Collective’s intention to formally relocate its home from Catch to Querious, new details of their plans have emerged in the form of a flowchart that is designed to inform line members of expectations and required activities as part of the move.

Brave leadership has provided line members with a flowchart providing instructions and recommended actions they should take as part of the move

Brave’s plan to move to Querious first came to light through a leaked mini-SOTA address given by Brave director Dunk Dinkle on February 10. In that address, Dinkle sketched out the plan to move, with fighting to begin immediately that weekend. Additional light on that announcement was provided almost immediately by a series of embarrassing leaks of Brave leadership discussions that were posted to Reddit. These leaks made clear that a driving factor in Brave’s decision, and the urgency of that decision, was the recent effort by former Legacy member and Brave ally Siberian Squads (SB-SQ) to take over the very systems in Querious that Brave had targeted for itself. Siberian Squads had switched sides and was now an obstacle to Brave’s move.

Since Brave’s plan first became known in mid February, three full weeks have passed – weeks in which Brave needed to make inroads in Querious against SB-SQ before that group had a chance to establish itself in the space that Brave wanted. In that time, Brave has had some good successes, turning many iHubs in Querious and taking some sov. While SB-SQ still has a large foothold in Querious, they have been evicted from the key 8BO-IH constellation that Brave views as the center of its future holdings.

Brave and Siberian Squads iHubs, as of March 2, 2021. Map courtesy DOTLAN

However at the same time, Brave has been losing ground in Catch, with iHubs and sov falling in the center of their (former) home space. This puts Brave in a precarious position between two homes – one falling, and the other not yet firmly established. Despite the losses in Catch and Impass and the move to Querious, Brave insists that they are not fully abandoning their old regions. When asked, Dunk Dinkle reaffirmed his previous publicly stated commitment to maintain a presence in those regions. “Yes, we intend to keep some systems in Catch and Impass long term,” he said. “That was always part of the plan.”

Catch iHubs as of March 2, 2021. Map courtesy DOTLAN

The uncertain transitional position Brave finds itself in makes the recently discovered flowchart for line members that much more important. As thousands of characters and assets are moved, clear direction is needed to ensure success. Notable among the guidance provided, all Brave members are instructed to install their death clones at the PAPI staging system T5ZI-S in Delve, just one jump from the Imperium home system and major remaining stronghold 1DQ1-A. This demonstrates an unambiguous commitment on the part of Brave to continue the war effort against the Imperium with the rest of their partners in Legacy coalition and PAPI.

In addition to putting their death clones in Delve, Brave line members are instructed to put a jump clone and doctrine ships both in their targeted home system in Querious, P-ZMZV, and in their current home system in Catch, GE-8JV. In order to fight the war against the Imperium, establish their home in Querious, and hold ground in Catch, Brave line members must be prepared to split their attention three ways.

Dinkle expressed satisfaction with the progress Brave has made in Querious since their intention to move was first announced more than three weeks ago. “In Querious, we’ve achieved our immediate goals for the constellations we targeted,” he said. “SibSquad are good people, former allies, that have chosen to change sides. They fight well, but as Brave and [PAPI] forces continue to press, they appear outnumbered.” Beyond the strategic gains being made, he also commented on the simple fun offered by the fighting in Querious. “Many good fights occurring in Querious, with people on both sides having fun,” he said. “Which, putting space politics aside, should be the goal: having fun.”

Despite the uncertainty associated with a major relocation in the midst of a major war, Dinkle expressed both confidence and optimism about both the direction and the condition of Brave. “As I mentioned in my alliance chat over the weekend, it’s astounding that we have more systems in Querious than Imperium has in Delve,” he said. “We’ve had our setbacks, but most members are positive and have been excited to make history.”

In particular, he called out the positive effect war pressures are having on Brave’s ability to operate and on their cohesion as an organization. “As a leader, seeing Brave grow in capability and strength is heartening and a good sign,” he said. “Regardless how the war goes, our internal cohesion is strong. As my father used to say, ‘pressure makes diamonds.’ The war, for many groups, has built stronger internal bonds and is a good thing for everyone. Without the war, the negative impacts of CCP’s recent choices on economy design would have a much more negative impact than we are seeing.”

Time will tell whether Brave’s gamble in Querious pays off. But for now, they appear confident that the odds will be in their favor.

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  • Moomin Amatin

    The situation Brave finds itself in at this time is quite the pickle. It has hitched its wagon to TAPIs war of “extermination” in order to create a rental empire. This is as about as far as you can get from Brave’s supposed identity. But there again it seems that the Brave of old is long dead. Dunk makes claims about Brave never having been stronger than now. Every corp to join Brave since November 2020 has come from another member alliance of The Legacy. Meanwhile privately Dunk says other things that are a more realistic assessment of Brave’s current position.

    Did you know that Brave was offered space before by The Imperium? Did you know that the fine corporation of Karma Fleet was formed from Brave leadership who saw the path Brave were walking and wanted something better? It is a shame to see what Brave has become. A lap dog to the desires of The Legacy’s lead alliance TAPI. I hope the same fate does not await them as it does for other former vallued allies of TAPI.

    March 4, 2021 at 1:40 PM
  • Rammel Kas Not really a smooth extraction so far. This latest bridging titan just the latest in a tide of losses. Even if we are to just cut it at the losses to date just these set them back years already. I have a real concern that this is starting to tip over into a rout.

    March 4, 2021 at 1:46 PM
  • Guilford Australis

    Brave’s logistics director, n0rman, said in the leaked chats that a full relocation to Querious is impossible from a logistical standpoint. Dunk admitted he was right and that the alliance doesn’t even have the resources to establish itself there. Dunk actually said that no matter how the war turns out, “shit’s fucked” for Brave. AND the situation for Brave in Catch has worsened considerably since then. So the new home will be a shanty-town, and the old home is burning. A flowchart won’t change any of that.

    Brave used to have a pretty good relationship with The Imperium. To paraphrase the famous British rock band, “now they’ve gone and thrown it all away.” I hope it was worth it to fight TEST’s war, end up with table scraps as a reward, and face an angry Goonswarm now that they’ve decided to live right on top of us. Good plan, Dunk.

    March 4, 2021 at 2:50 PM
    • Rammel Kas Guilford Australis

      I don’t think it was Dunk’s plan though. Remember the leaks? It was that TEST sock puppet Shattered Armer leading them by the leash. Piggles in his foolishness wanted to toss them into a fire first before his own assets got burned. The real executive is afk last I heard. So the sock puppets and plants run riot.

      March 4, 2021 at 3:25 PM
    • Seir Luciel Guilford Australis

      Would you have suggest them being on The Imperium’s side at the start
      of this war? Same thing would have happened but it would be the other
      side doing it.

      I feel for Brave. They lost the war before it started, stuck geographically right between two massive warring powers. They had to pick a side but wasn’t going to have the resources to hold back the tide of either side. Politically it made
      sense to join PAPI; they have some allies on PAPI that they didn’t want
      to make angry in the long run, and on paper it look(s)ed like a war
      Goons were surely going to lose. The best you can do is go with the side
      you think is going to win.

      The Imperium right now is working hard enough trying to defend its own stuff. Its unlikely looking at the war right now that The Imperium would have been able to help protect Brave’s if they had gone the other way. Dunk and Brave got a bad deal from the beginning and Dunk knew it. But you can’t sit and cry, you gotta somehow move forward the best you can and that’s what they are doing. And as bad as it is right now, it might have been the best option available to them. EVE doesn’t always give you good options.

      March 4, 2021 at 3:38 PM
      • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

        I would suggest to Brave that once you attach yourself to a war of extermination in order to create a massive rental empire then it is only a matter of time before your actions define you. Every corp joining Brave since November last year has been at the expense of a fellow Legacy alliance.

        Years ago Brave had a choice. They chose to follow TAPI. It was a mistake then and it is one now. People who know the history of Brave had always hoped for a better outcome than what we are seeing now.

        March 4, 2021 at 4:51 PM
        • Seir Luciel Moomin Amatin

          I still think Goons are massively oversimplifying Brave’s options while ignoring the reasons for the actions they made.

          March 4, 2021 at 7:01 PM
          • Rammel Kas Seir Luciel

            Actually quite a few of us particularly in Karmafleet WERE in the old Brave. Before Panfam pushed them out of Catch. Before the gank-recruitment that created Pandemic Horde out of personal FC cults. Before the 4 coups and power grabs which saw Dunk rise in stature as the modern day face of Brave with his colorful jackets and shot glasses. Before all that. (Dunk’s first ever video was a sketch he made with a brandy bottle to make Brave feel better during the first coup and to try lift morale and damp down panic mongers in their internal subreddit.)

            So we understand Brave far better than you seem to realize. Both in and out. We have lived right the way through the worst of what is very likely to happening in the quiet corridors after fleets and as people log on for the day. This isn’t the first time a semi-away leadership has left the machine on autopilot (no Dunk is not the executor, neither can Shattered Armer really bind the alliance to something on his own name yet clearly he has gone over the heads of the co-directors on his own fiddle). Then the executor also came back only to discover in horror how far some groups will go to hijack your people. It all happened before. About 6-7 years ago, in point of fact. We seem to just be watching the same train wreck in super slow motion… yet again.

            One very relevant point from all this. Don’t mistake the reasons the faces give to the camera. See what they do. This is why the reddit leaks are so telling and more of an indicator.

            March 4, 2021 at 8:15 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            Brave could have done whatever they wanted. To be perfectly frank I suspect that they actually still have a lot of options open to them, although these are being reduced over time.

            The facts remain. This was sold to PAPI as a “war of extermination” and PAPI have also made their rental desires very clear. As yet I have not heard as to why Brave has limited options in pursuing such a war. Brave are choosing to be a part of this.

            March 5, 2021 at 7:56 AM
      • Carvj94 Seir Luciel

        Well not to mention that Goons are the defenders so it would have been PAPI moving through their space either way with Goons only being a threat if they win AND if they choose to counterattack

        March 4, 2021 at 7:59 PM
      • EbilFairy Seir Luciel

        Goons dont backstab their allies. Brave would have turned out for better had they allied and stuck with Imperium

        March 4, 2021 at 10:29 PM
  • any time I get war intentions downstream the only question I’m looking to answer is ‘where do I stage myself’

    same question I try to answer when looking at hostile plans and apparently it is a roll of the dice for brave?

    the best move would be, you know, give a command that says we’re moving now, let’s stay together rather than get picked apart in either querious or catch. but I suppose the alternative is tidi N+1 fights.

    Thanks for Querious Last Night I Guess

    March 4, 2021 at 3:43 PM
  • Carvj94

    Woah woah woah. According to that flowchart Brave’s main source of communication is Slack? No wonder they’re so dysfunctional.

    March 4, 2021 at 8:00 PM
  • Alaric Faelen

    At some point Brave will realize they left the security and wealth of
    their home to move into a place that will never be pacified, even if GSF
    ultimately loses the sov space. We will have nothing to do but stage
    out of invulnerable NPC space and make undocking to even check your PI a
    living hell for the new inhabitants. They can only begin the citadel
    spam that GSF invested in over years of relative peace. The safety we
    had in Delve took a lot longer to build than it did to knock down. That
    goes for who ever wants to live there if GSF moves out.

    March 4, 2021 at 9:12 PM
    • Havish Montak Alaric Faelen

      Don’t forget about Darwin in Querious.

      March 4, 2021 at 9:14 PM
    • EbilFairy Alaric Faelen

      What they dont realize is that Havish doesnt sit well with no home. If Papi thinks for one second that we as Goons will sit idly by and let them live in some utopia in Delve, they are horribly mistaken. Whatever lies PGL and Vilywilly have spoonfed their members, is a lie and they are in for a very rude awakening should it go that way.

      March 4, 2021 at 10:25 PM
  • Havish Montak


    March 4, 2021 at 9:21 PM
  • kwnyupstate .

    They expect newbies to follow a huge flowchart???

    March 5, 2021 at 2:25 AM