SOUND THE HORDE HORN: Pandemic Horde Deploys to Curse

Vulxanis Viceroy 2017-09-03

Pandemic Horde has accepted an official mercenary contract from the Drone Region Federation to attack Triumvirate space in the South. This marks a significant step for Horde, as it means they have been recognized by the greater EVE community as being worth taking seriously. Enough to be paid to fight on behalf of someone else.

In Gobbins’s usual style, he recounts in his announcement post what led up to this point. The recent victory in the North, regardless of how anyone wants to spin it, showed just how effective the PanFam and its allies can be when they need to protect their turf. Pandemic Horde played no small part in that endeavor, providing over half of the subcap strength in some battles.

VICTORY IN THE NORTH

Gobbins includes TRI along with TEST and Goons as being part of, as he put it, “Feed the North” starter pack. Talking about how while a lot of smack talk was said, in spite of claiming “successful deployment” when in the long run, not a whole lot seems to have been accomplished. He makes it clear that the past year, he’s been waiting for a major retaliatory war, and was sorely disappointed.

SOUTHWARD BOUND

In short, the south is a mess. Gobbins mocks TEST for its inability to put its money where its mouth is, recognizes that CO2 is a more useful enemy than ally due to some poor decisions recently on their part. He also mentions that FCON has actually been fairly friendly to Horde, pointing out that while they are known for “feeding” (losing ratters in silly situations), they did right by Horde by helping with some timers in Querious.

Here’s where TRI comes in. Apparently, in spite of Horde having no reason to fight with TRI, they have been just as bad as TEST on Reddit when it comes to mocking Horde. Not only that, Gobbins points out that Horde has actually helped TRI multiple times in the past. An example he gives is during last winter when Horde was at war with INIT at the request of TRI and TEST. They had asked Horde to keep INIT occupied by hitting moons in syndicate while TRI/TEST and friends were able to take space from Russian and Imperium held territory. However, in spite of this, when the Imperium attacked the North this past summer, Horde asked TRI to do the same and hit Delve. They said no.

Now that the conflict in the war is over, Gobbins explains that the initial plan was to deploy south similarly to how I explained in my previous post and just “third party on everybody” since that’s where the content would be. Because of this, Gobbins made a point to poke his head around south diplomatically to check who would be up for working together with Horde. He was received far less warmly than he was likely expecting. Apparently, TRI was “deeply offended” that Horde had the audacity to ask for them to return the favor previously mentioned. Here are some logs he linked to accentuate his point:

[2:31 PM] Gobbins [HORDE]: we’ll help whoever offers us the best deal capt
[5:53 PM] Cpt Patrick Archer: Good luck with that

[2:37 PM] Gobbins [HORDE]: Hi Garst, how are you? Like I told patrick yesterday, I am trying to figure out which side horde should be on with the southern conflict
[2:37 PM] Gobbins [HORDE]: do you guys want horde’s help or not interested? if yes what do you have to offer
August 27, 2017
[1:38 AM] Garst Tyrell: why do you HAVE to be in on the conflict to begin with?
[1:38 AM] Garst Tyrell: pl and ncdot are gonna come down to curse anyway, and youll do whatever pl does
[1:38 AM] Garst Tyrell: so seems like a moot question across the board

The above was taken to be that TRI feels that it can take advantage of Horde’s generosity, and in spite of adding insult to injury, expect to see little to no repercussions. He points out that this is nothing new. Escalating Entropy, Snuff, as well as The Culture have done this as well. Because of this, Gobbins states that Horde has recently become more selective in who it sides with and how far they are willing to go.

A few days after Gobbins reached out to TRI, The Drone Region Federation had responded to his diplomatic inquiry. They requested that Horde burn TRI sov for isk. He asked if it would be possible to stay neutral to Brave, TEST, CVA, and any of the other locals. They said that wouldn’t be a problem.

MERCENARY DEPLOYMENT DETAILS

If you’re really curious about the details, the Pastebin has the specifics. The short version is Horde will be deploying with its “just get yourself there and we’ll hand you a ship” usual style which has proven immensely useful in the past. They have a few programs specifically designed to make the most out of alpha clones (called “Zombeans”) as well as the “Bean Foreign Legion” which is a more organized group of Horde’s deployments. Triumvirate sovereignty is the primary target, with a secondary priority being given to TRI’s allies such as CO2 and Fraternity, as well as any others. Curse is free game for hordelings to go roaming, and he lists a few specific hotspots for those who want to FC smaller roams.

DIPLOMATIC RULES FOR BEANS

Gobbins states a few guidelines under “Rules of Engagement” that Horde will follow:

  • TEST, FCON, BRAVE, and everyone else in Curse is neutral
  • There are no restrictions on hunting ratters or roaming to find brawls.
  • Strat ops against TRI take priority or at least make sure not to get in their way.
  • TRI, CO2, and their allies are primary in any fight.

FINAL NOTE

While the point was already mentioned at the beginning of the article, as a Hordeling, this last bit hit me in the feels. I’ve gotten to be a part of a much bigger experience since joining Horde, and this just sums up what it means to watch your group’s work pay off.

For the line members, this is a great source of new content. For the FCs and organizers however this is a big step for horde, the generous contract we have been offered shows that our effort has been recognized and someone deemed it worth their money to pay for our help. It is especially sweet that we get to go up against elitist people who regurgitate the reddit koolaid and see us as pawn without our own identity. So let’s get rich burning their shit.

If you’re looking for content, Go South young man.

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Comments

  • Doughlas MacAlister

    Yesss feed The Violence. Our guns tremble with joy at the sound of your exploding ships.

    September 3, 2017 at 10:23 pm
  • Menaiya

    One should not underestimate Horde. They can do a lot of damage.
    Menaiya Zamayid of Solitare.

    September 3, 2017 at 10:28 pm
    • Sylphinja the Dark Rose Menaiya

      Horde without its backing is like Karmafleet without Goons. Zero.

      September 6, 2017 at 12:53 am
  • Jamie Grainger

    “It is especially sweet that we get to go up against elitist people who regurgitate the reddit koolaid and see us as pawn without our own identity.”
    I don’t get this, i’ve read Gobbin’s interview about the formation of Horde. And according to interview, this IS the case.
    Now, don’t get me wrong, i’m not smack talking here. By now some of you know I see Horde as having the only real set of balls in the north.
    Look, everyone in The Imperium gives Karmafleet shit (even Karmafleet), but if you look at the numbers, we ARE the numbers. And we are the “newbee corp”.
    We are PROUD of what we are and what we do within our coalition.
    I’m not getting that from Horde. What i’m reading in alot of this is “We don’t want to be in anyone’s shadow, we are serious and should be taken serious”
    I agree with this!
    But there is only one way to make everyone see it that way: Step out of the shadow, yourself. Let New Eden see you do it. Do your own thing, not PL’s thing.
    Fight across the field from those seen as your “Masters” and give them a bloody nose.
    Until that happens, you can never get angry for being called what you have not only admitted to being, but have repeatedly shown to New Eden to be the case.

    The bottom line is, Horde doesn’t need PL, but should either be proud of that allegiance, or GTFO of it. You can’t have your cake and eat it, too.

    Good luck in the south, Horde. I hope you guys have a blast. Don’t stay away from Delve too long, cause I miss you already <3

    September 4, 2017 at 2:35 am
    • The Guardian Jamie Grainger

      If PL doesnt came after in PH battles I accept PH not pawn. But in chess you must move pawn first 😉

      September 4, 2017 at 6:44 am
      • Mintaki The Guardian

        That’s not even the issue, as I see it. PL didn’t even trust PH to FC its own major fights and, for the most part, put PL FCs in place for any important fight. How can that let you stand alone as an entity?

        September 4, 2017 at 12:10 pm
  • Parv

    Everyone will just pile in on CO2 and Tri and the Blue donut will simply expand.

    September 4, 2017 at 7:36 am
  • leighhindhaugh

    Pandemic Horde are a great bunch of players. Like any alliance they are connected with other big alliances. Everyone is a pawn of someone else. The thing that makes PH good is that they DON’T do everything that PL commands. Many ops in-fact are done without consent and from what I’ve seen and experienced all point to PH being a force of nature. If push comes to shove they can form massive fleets and even though they are mixed with experienced players and newbeans or almost completely full of newbeans, they manage to get the job done. Goons saw this first hand and couldn’t get home fast enough after they ended their deployment in the north because of the Burn Delve blitz. I’ve been on several fleets where 30 of our Caracals took on a 60 man Goon jackdaw fleet and won without a single loss. Sometimes they got kills, most of the time they didn’t. The quality of FC’s in PH is staggering and they work in tough situations especially because some of the players in those fleets, have little or no idea what they are doing. With PL this is not the case, it’s almost impossible to get into the ranks of PL without an in house vouch. But for PH, you send an app and that likely gets you in. No API checks or security checks. This also makes it ideal for spies to get in. Yet even with all this.. Somehow PH lives on and works well. So well in fact alliances are starting to contract PH. Say what you will about the PH and PL pawn relationship but PH has more than proven that we can hold our own.

    September 4, 2017 at 11:09 am
    • Rolfski leighhindhaugh

      Should have sticked longer in Delve imo, more important and more challenging target.

      September 5, 2017 at 9:23 am
    • Mintaki leighhindhaugh

      This narrative, while great, isn’t true. The announcement to return home had been decided before PH deployed to Delve, GSOL had most of our war assets already home when they announced it, there was even a leak some Triumvirate member posted of Asher stating this. It’s convenience to spout a narrative for your side, but at least do it with some easy fact-checking.

      Additionally, and this part I cannot entirely confirm so take it for what you will, but I heard multiple times that the FCs during most (not all) of the fighting were from PL not PH and if that’s actually true… well, it makes me question their supposed independence. Honestly it’s kind of irrelevant because I expect them to be PL puppets as that’s what they started as, I just find it funny they fight so hard to shred that persona verbally but a lot of their actions reinforce it.

      There were many losses on both sides, as far as fleets went. Personally, every fleet that I was in had ISK and ship positive losses except the major Fortizar battles, so it’s just a matter of which fleets and which FCs you had. I don’t think many people realize that the Imperium allowed a lot of new FCs to flex their muscle in the roams and probing fights, only taking the reigns with senior members at the major fights to experiment with new tactics.

      It all boils down to perspective, really, and all of ours are tainted for our own side: but I laugh at people who point and say “we won” when they were on a defensive push, didn’t force the attackers out, and the attackers accomplished every stated objective they had before the war started including staying within the acceptable losses range they had set. Again, I guess it’s just perspective? Or maybe it’s just flat out lieing to make line members feel better?

      September 5, 2017 at 12:53 pm
    • Objectless leighhindhaugh

      So you think PH is great because they “blitzed” Delve, AKA got hell camped in to the NPC station in PR-?

      September 12, 2017 at 1:05 pm
  • Rammel Kas

    So this is plan B

    September 4, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    • Rolfski Rammel Kas

      They haven’t even spend more than 4 days mass deployed in Delve. More of a move goalpost/ change of plan A imo.

      September 5, 2017 at 9:20 am
      • Rammel Kas Rolfski

        I was not referring to just the nuisance deployment per se.

        September 5, 2017 at 9:25 am
        • Rolfski Rammel Kas

          The nuisance deployment was the only op Horde had officially going on. Not sure what you mean with plan A then.

          September 5, 2017 at 9:28 am
          • Rammel Kas Rolfski

            Ok where else have wider Panfam forces shown up since Imperium left the North. What were the potential fronts they could have been planning to push on? What changed and suddenly a very abortive MC dread fleet dies in a bad way.

            September 5, 2017 at 9:31 am
          • Rolfski Rammel Kas

            And what? I don’t really see any evil Panfam masterplan at work here other than that they don’t mind helping to keep the South divided.
            Sure there’s a NPC station grab coming up soon, but they’ve already secured their part in the North for that. No need to over-extend themselves with any full scale invasion.

            September 5, 2017 at 10:39 am
          • Rammel Kas Rolfski

            I wasn’t about to call it ‘evil’ or ‘master’ but plans are certainly a feature of what they typically do.

            September 5, 2017 at 11:07 am
          • Rolfski Rammel Kas

            Every major alliance is typically planning ahead. But more often than not this planning is just about getting content and has nothing to do with planning for any major invasions or evictions. Panfam is really no different in that regard.
            Or to stick with your words: There was never really a plan A, just shooting stuff.

            September 5, 2017 at 12:51 pm
  • Bravo

    Their recently deploy in Delve was a failure . Now they’ll move to Curse maybe with the same results … Big mouths , small balls .

    September 4, 2017 at 12:43 pm
    • Rolfski Bravo

      That recent Delve deploy wasn’t even hardly started, the order was given only a week ago or so. Too early to call it a success or failure really. Imo Horde should have sticked longer with their Delve deployment, as whale hunting is strategically a more important target.

      Having said that, I can understand that getting to be in the smack-down middle of a big scale war and getting paid for it, is better and more attractive content for them.

      September 5, 2017 at 9:03 am
      • Mintaki Rolfski

        How was it too early to call it a success for failure? It’s already over, they were camped into the stations for 2 of 4 days and didn’t impact operations at all, only fed some more kills.

        If that’s too early to call it… lets call it what it really is: a failed attempt to push back, four days wasn’t going to be enough anyways and I am pretty sure that PH leadership knew that, so I would assume it was more symbolic than anything. Unless I am giving them too much credit?

        September 5, 2017 at 12:55 pm
        • Rolfski Mintaki

          Not being successful for only a few days (not sure if that is true btw but it doesn’t matter) doesn’t automatically mean all is doomed and the war is lost. If anything you as a goon (who started plenty of wars completely horrible but came out on top nonetheless) must know this.

          September 5, 2017 at 10:20 pm
  • Wow, a Delve deployment even shorter than our northern expedition.

    September 5, 2017 at 5:30 am