PAPI’s O-EIMK Invasion Bombs at the Gate

2021-05-15

Friday, May 14 saw a day-long string of PAPI losses, bookended by two crushing bomb runs. At the end of the day, PAPI subcap losses topped 300 billion. Both bombing runs came from The Initiative., striking PAPI fleets as they tried to evac through the E-V gate in 3-DMQT. The day also marked the end of three weeks of fighting since the Pandemic Horde townhall. There, alliance leader Gobbins announced PAPI’s strategy for taking the O-EIMK constellation and Imperium throne system of 1DQ1-A. So far, however, PAPI has nothing to show for their efforts but many hundreds of billions in subcap losses and a few onlining Azbels in 3-D.

Friday’s Fights

On Friday PAPI launched multiple attempts to reinforce objectives in the O-EIMK constellation. These culminated in a large battle in USTZ and a determined attack to hack the 3-D IHUB.

The first attack came early in the day during AUTZ. PAPI brought Eagles, Muninns, and Feroxes, and the Imperium countered with Sacrileges and Feroxes of their own. As has become common in defenses in O-EIMK, the Imperium also parked Carriers and Supercarriers on citadels near the fighting to bring fighters to bear. Unable to take any objectives in the face of the Imperium’s defense, PAPI eventually moved to the E-V gate in 3-DMQT to withdraw. There, INIT bombers launched a surprise attack that destroyed hundreds of retreating HACs and shifted the battle report massively in favor of the Imperium (94 billion ISK lost by PAPI to 10 billion by the Imperium). Word and video of the stunning bomb run quickly began to spread on Reddit and Discord, and Imperium spirits were riding high. Both sides brought more than 600 pilots to the AUTZ fighting.

In the aftermath of the losses on the E-V gate, PAPI formed a smaller group in EUTZ which again met with defeat. PAPI Feroxes and various supporting ships (200+ in total) were countered by a larger number of Imperium Feroxes and Eagles (300+), and after feeding 19 billion against the Imperium’s 6 billion in losses, PAPI once again withdrew.

PAPI ships explode in the aftermath of a USTZ INIT bombing run. (Source: YouTube)

In USTZ, PAPI tried a third time to turn the day into a win. They mounted an extremely vigorous assault with roughly more than 1100+ PAPI pilots (countered by 900+ for the Imperium) contesting objectives in multiple systems. The bulk of the fighting was concentrated on the 3-D IHUB, and for most of the attack PAPI traded well, though they ultimately failed to take any objectives. After the Imperium finally pushed PAPI off the IHUB (fighter support for Imperium subcaps was again decisive), the attackers moved back to the E-V gate to withdraw. At this point in the night they were ahead in the ISK war, having killed 84 billion against 65 billion in losses. They had taken particular vengeance on INIT for their earlier bombing run, annihilating an entire INIT Abaddon fleet worth almost 20 billion on the 3-D IHUB grid. Unfortunately for PAPI, those INIT pilots reshipped to bombers and once again met them at the E-V gate as they tried to extract. In what is likely the largest bombing attack in the history of EVE Online, INIT destroyed 144 billion in PAPI HACs and supporting ships in a single bomb run, decisively turning the battle report once again in the Imperium’s favor. PAPI finished the night down 209 billion to 84 billion for the USTZ battle.

PAPI finished the day having lost 330 billion against 109 billion in losses for the Imperium without taking any objectives.

The Status of PAPI’s Invasion

Prior to Friday’s events, TEST FC and Legacy Military Director Progodlegend provided an assessment of PAPI’s progress to date against the Imperium in O-EIMK. In particular he emphasized the the lack of apparent progress in the weeks since PAPI’s strategy was announced on April 24 is not in any way concerning. Attacking the Imperium in 1DQ and O-EIMK is unlike anything that has ever been attempted in EVE, and PAPI is not rushing.

“These have basically been probing attacks to get a feel [for the defense],” he said in a brief interview before Friday’s attacks had taken place. “Using capitals requires more commitment than subcaps, so the timing on when we use them will be very precise and when we’ve gathered as many advantages as possible.” For opsec reasons Progodlegend did not specify what “advantages” he was referring to, but one might assume he was referring to the kinds of strategic advantages that PAPI has relied on in the months since their defeat at M2, cyno jammers to prevent Imperium Supercapital response and Citadels to provide tether. These are some of the same factors Gobbins indicated PAPI would be pursuing in the April 24 PH townhall.

In the mean time, PAPI is feeling it’s way. “Probing with subcaps as we have is low commitment, especially when we mostly win the ISK war anyway,” said Progodlegend (prior to yesterday’s battles, PAPI has been trading well with or winning the ISK war against the Imperium in O-EIMK, with some exceptions). “We’ve ignored objectives a few times already just to focus on the good subcap battles in progress.”

The Road Ahead

In particular, Progodlegend is not concerned by the pace of PAPI’s progress. “I would say our progress is on track, even ahead of schedule somewhat,” he said. “The fact that we win most fights means that this pace is easily sustainable, so we have time to figure out what works and what doesn’t. And we have basically been doing probing attacks and experiments with no real expectation of major progress, and we have often just ignore objectives entirely to focus on the fight at hand when we could have instead made plays to ensure the objective had we felt like.”

Progodlegend underscored the unprecedented difficulty of what PAPI is undertaking, given the conditions currently in game, such as massive numbers of Supercapitals, tether, and other mechanics. “Considering how terrible these game mechanics are, we always knew it would be extremely difficult to break into the constellation and eventually win,” he said. “But we’ll eventually get there.”

It is unclear whether or to what extent Friday’s events change these calculations.

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Comments

  • shanemacgowansteeth

    “Papi once again withdrew” – just about sums up the last month of the war

    May 15, 2021 at 6:19 PM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    “Taking into the mind how terrible game mechanics are as well as TEST, we have allowed ourself to declare that every time we lose it’s just a probing fight that we launched to confirm that we’re still bad at things and didn’t follow any objectives” – pgl said.

    May 15, 2021 at 7:54 PM
  • William Doe

    I wonder how many more times will PAPI keep trying this and losing boatloads of ISK just to keep satisfying Vily and Piggle’s fragile little ego.
    Keep taking L’s PAPI, it’s a good look for you.

    May 15, 2021 at 10:03 PM
    • Bronze Condor William Doe

      Who’s bank rolling them? A Saudi prince?

      May 17, 2021 at 12:15 AM
      • Aaron Kitchell Bronze Condor

        Fraternity’s Chinese bot army, unfortunately.

        May 17, 2021 at 2:25 AM
        • Majestic Aaron Kitchell

          Why they can’t SRP Legacy titans?

          May 17, 2021 at 4:40 PM
  • kwnyupstate .

    They brought a sub-cap to a super fight. LOL.

    May 15, 2021 at 11:02 PM
  • Novartis

    But isn’t there’s one more big question to ask?

    How about the SRP?

    May 16, 2021 at 2:22 AM
    • Garreth Vlox Novartis

      If they can’t afford to replace 80 bill titans how can they afford 300 bill losses? And if they can afford 300 bill losses why haven’t all the titans from m2- been replaced yet?

      May 16, 2021 at 3:34 AM
      • Jeet_Kundo Garreth Vlox

        Because subcaps are somehow more acceptable to lose in the billions. Their logic is quite literally “which is heavier, a pound of feathers or a pound of iron?”, and picking iron.

        May 16, 2021 at 9:35 AM
  • Moomin Amatin

    This is a war of lies. The longer it goes on the funnier it gets.

    150k vs 50k
    PAPI declare they have the best FC team in the game with the most experience
    PAPI declare Goons are weak and only krab
    PAPI declare Goon swill run at the first “real battle”
    PAPI declare they have a larger super fleet with a larger reserve than The Imperium
    …… the list just goes on and on.

    This war should have been over in three months tops.

    The events covered by this piece exemplify the reality of this war. The Imperium is “all in” with real allies who know they can count on each other as they did in the Casino War and before. PAPI is a set of egos that have convinced “all of eve” to dogpile what they thought would be a weak enemy so that they could rent our more space.

    I wonder if PAPI members will hold their leadership as accountable as they insist members of The Imperium hold theirs?

    May 16, 2021 at 3:22 AM
    • Garreth Vlox Moomin Amatin

      “This war should have been over in three months tops.”

      If the person in charge had a brain they would have timed their attacks coming in through fountain, PB and Querious at the exact same time down to the minute forcing a split of the defenders or a decision to only contest one vector of attack allowing the other to continue, and resulting in timers dozens of jumps apart coming out within minutes of each other. Instead what we got was almost a year of a group of idiots all avoiding being the one stuck with the check, while clusterfucking their way through what should have been the most one sided war in eve history.

      May 16, 2021 at 3:33 AM
      • Novartis Garreth Vlox

        it’s like the allied is launching the D-day operation, however each beach to be assaulted takes a gap of a month

        Yes, such brilliant tactic!

        May 16, 2021 at 4:15 AM
  • Garreth Vlox

    init confirmed dead

    May 16, 2021 at 3:30 AM
  • Jeet_Kundo

    Lord look at the pure cope on PAPI’s end. “We haven’t gotten very far but slow and steady wins the race!….even though we haven’t made material progress in a woeful period, h-heh. If you lose, you win, 2 more weeks and our 68-D Chess will rain supercaps on you goons!”

    May 16, 2021 at 9:30 AM
    • Seir Luciel Jeet_Kundo

      even though we haven’t made material progress in a woeful period

      Goons used to have 52 keepstars; now they have 11. Not counting all the other structures PAPI waded through, methodically, painstakingly, patiently—that’s the kind of progress Goons once thought no one would be crazy enough to put themselves through. Having said that, there was also the assumption there would be fighting “over every keepstar” by Goons and non-Goons alike.

      https://www.theroadsofar.space/#/

      May 16, 2021 at 4:40 PM
      • Bumpy Dog Seir Luciel

        The war has only just begun. You may yet get to wave your willy over 1DQ, but you have a long way to go yet

        May 16, 2021 at 5:29 PM
        • Seir Luciel Bumpy Dog

          you have a long way to go yet

          True; we have a ways still to go.

          May 16, 2021 at 7:28 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            Which is odd as PAPI leadership were very confident that they were ahead of schedule more than once. I have heard many recordings about “final pushes” and “doubling you efforts” and “re-doubling your efforts” from PAPI leaders. I wonder how their words match up now to what they said 10 months ago?

            May 16, 2021 at 10:32 PM
      • kwnyupstate . Seir Luciel

        And PAPI have still lost the isk war.

        May 16, 2021 at 8:56 PM
        • Seir Luciel kwnyupstate .

          That’s correct, but it likely isn’t quite so simple.

          No need to front; PAPI absolutely was set back after M2. And isk losses after battles is about the best one can do as far as calculating and quantifying who is doing better in the war. But isk alone doesn’t account for everything, nor is there an easy way to calculate the isk ramifications of some of WWBII’s events over time.

          For instance, a more accurate isk war calculation would incorporate losses along with income. Theoretically, it is easier to make isk (along with ships, resources, and other commodities in the real economy) when you have more space than a single constellation; according to that logic, PAPI’s income would be more than The Imperium’s and so the isk war may be less slanted than it first appears. But there isn’t a way to know the income of either group, so its anyone’s guest.

          Furthermore, it is much easier to make money and production when structures, infrastructure, relatively safe space, etc. is up and running. Because of PAPI’s structure bashing, it is hard to know how much time added to trade, production, transport, losses en route, as well as whatever the cost will be for Goons to expand out again (if Goons hold off PAPI) or relocate (if 1DQ falls).

          In sum, there are many factors to the isk war long term. But us players only have access to a small section of the relevant data: the isk losses after battle reports. It can’t account for, say, trade that would have been done but not longer can, or can only be done less efficiently.

          May 16, 2021 at 10:08 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            Sounds interesting, what is that in “fun per hour”?

            May 16, 2021 at 10:30 PM
          • William Doe Moomin Amatin

            Cope it seems like. They’re running out of excuses to justify things.
            ISK war sliding out of their favor and has been, still have yet to SRP things. They’re falling flat on their face in regards to the main objective of even trying to get into 1DQ.

            At this point, outside of pointless structure bashing which even for them is starting to run low, I guess feeding subcaps to Goons might be “fun per hour” for masochists.

            May 16, 2021 at 10:33 PM
          • Seir Luciel William Doe

            ISK war sliding out of their favor and has been, still have yet to SRP things.

            Horde just recently sent out a SRP announcement ping saying: “@everyone SRP requests have all been processed, claim your gobloons to refill your wallet . I’ll try to process everything tonight & tomorrow morning so you have the ISK in your wallet.”

            Maybe we aren’t hurting as much as you say we are?

            May 16, 2021 at 11:39 PM
          • Aaron Kitchell Seir Luciel

            Just now?! Our SRP is paid out in like 2 days

            May 17, 2021 at 3:07 AM
          • William Doe Seir Luciel

            Is that just Horde’s? What about Legacy? If it’s just from the losses at M2, that’s embarrassing to wait that long.

            May 17, 2021 at 3:20 AM
          • Garreth Vlox William Doe

            How about all the legacy alliances that don’t exist anymore cause they went broke?

            May 17, 2021 at 11:40 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

            “that’s correct, but it likely isn’t quite so simple.”

            funny it’s always that simple when papi wins the isk war…

            May 17, 2021 at 1:22 AM
          • Seir Luciel Garreth Vlox

            funny it’s always that simple when papi wins the isk war…

            No, it’s just as complex; however, most of those elements which are challenging to calculate would slant in PAPI’s favor—again—from not being in a single constellation. Unless Goons do something to significantly hinder PAPI income, trade, logistics and infrastructure abilities, the calculation (while still incorporating as many elements as for Goons) is going to be simpler to think about.

            May 17, 2021 at 4:03 AM
      • Jeet_Kundo Seir Luciel

        Simply a red-herring to detract from the fact that material progress has not been made in a woeful period. You’re speaking from start to present, as that is the only way to detract from the past months of nothing. Burden of the war is on the attackers my friend, why blow our load on secondary, tertiary, etc. objectives while making our way to the primary objective i.e. defending our keep? The reason you’re playing solitaire outside our doorstep is due to the fact that we didn’t neuter ourselves on our way back home and PAPI starting to split at the ends over an offensive war that is straining its funds.

        May 16, 2021 at 10:03 PM
        • Seir Luciel Jeet_Kundo

          Simply a red-herring to detract from the fact that material progress has not been made in a woeful period.

          Is it? Or is it providing the relevant context for a more accurate interpretation of present events?

          May 16, 2021 at 10:09 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

            “Is it?”

            Yeah it is, how many more months will you “live” 1 gate jump from your final target without actually taking it?

            May 17, 2021 at 1:21 AM
          • Aaron Kitchell Garreth Vlox

            Many, many, many months. Like, years apparently.

            May 17, 2021 at 2:48 AM
          • Marus Garreth Vlox

            As many months as we please. If you don’t like it you can do whatever you want.

            May 17, 2021 at 1:36 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            ” If you don’t like it you can do whatever you want.”

            I guess you failed to notice how we burned down all of TAPI space and have now started in on horde space….? We are doing whatever we want, meanwhile you morons sit in T5ZI and dream about how awesome it would be if your leaders could find just enough of a plan to actually try and attack 1dq1.

            May 20, 2021 at 4:18 AM
      • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

        “Having said that, there was also the assumption there would be fighting “over every keepstar” by Goons and non-Goons alike.” glad to see it is now described as an assumption and not a statement of fact. The hours I spent trying to find the hundreds of mentions of fighting on every keepstar were for nothing. I also note that no PAPI member has accepted the truthiness challenge either.

        May 16, 2021 at 10:16 PM
      • Deni'z von Meanace Seir Luciel

        40 ea.out of these been uncontested i guess. So it’s not counted as “real” fights. How many contested PAPI’s KS goons killed since beggining of the war?

        May 17, 2021 at 12:53 AM
      • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

        “Goons used to have 52 keepstars; now they have 11.”

        And it took you a year… we smoked tapi’s shit so fast we decided to move over to horde land and start running it through the wood chipper while we wait for you all to find the spine necessary to feed a few trillion per keepstar timer.

        “Having said that, there was also the assumption there would be fighting “over every keepstar” by Goons and non-Goons alike.”

        That was before papi decided to coward out and make sure there were no fight over those keeps by jamming them, bubbling them and camping them. If you wanted a fight all you had to do was cycle the jammers… but your leaders chose to hide instead. We can’t control that. And the one time you fucked up you lost so much you spent 2 months trying to avoid losing more.

        May 17, 2021 at 1:20 AM
        • Seir Luciel Garreth Vlox

          That was before papi decided to coward out and make sure there were no fight over those keeps by jamming them, bubbling them and camping them.

          Your Mittens doesn’t even agree with this; he doesn’t think we are cowards. He told you straight up we were going to do this, and that it was your responsibility to stop us:

          “As we have promised that TEST is Next, they’re not necessarily being cowards or idiots about insisting upon having jammers up before risking their supercap fleet, and Panfam needs those Legacy supers on the field to win in the first place – this is why so much depends upon the Doom Clock and preventing the enemy from getting jammers online.” — The Mittani
          (https://imperium.news/war-update-our-finest-hour/)

          May 17, 2021 at 3:54 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            I read that piece and it was refreshing to see a leaders words hold up so well. Amazingly well in fact. This war should have been done in three months tops.

            May 17, 2021 at 5:02 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

            “He told you straight up we were going to do this, and that it was your responsibility to stop us:”

            That doesn’t make you less of a coward, it just means you are predictable.

            May 17, 2021 at 11:35 PM
      • Aaron Kitchell Seir Luciel

        You shot a bunch of abandoned structures, because you had no plan on how to take 1DQ. I thought there was more to it, but PAPI really has just been winging it all this time. Waiting for the heat death of the universe is the strategy, apparently.

        May 17, 2021 at 3:05 AM
        • Dripple Aaron Kitchell

          The current game just doesn’t support, it simply doesn’t have the capacity to handle a full super assault to 1DQ so as we saw in M2.
          What now then? PAPI leadership seems to have made a new “wearing” tactic, which I think is the only possible way to desired outcome.
          Am I mad/demoralized about it? absolutely not, we are finally getting those fights what I was hoping for, which Goons cowardly denied us for 6 months.
          I wouldn’t mind if this lasted whole next year, this is a finally a war where there is goon ships to shoot and not just empty keepstars and tear soked “we didn’t want that KS anyways” posts.

          May 17, 2021 at 8:28 AM
          • Zaand Dripple

            If Goons are cowards for not feeding to 3:1 numbers under an enemy cyno jammer for a bunch of ratting crash pads, what does that make Papi when you can’t even mount the most basic invasion of our home when we actually defend, even with 3:1 numbers?

            May 17, 2021 at 11:08 PM
          • Dripple Zaand

            And here comes the , “waah waahbut cyno jammers” you realise there are steps before the cyno jammer is online, which you can contest?

            “Papi when you can’t even mount the most basic invasion of our home when we actually defend, even with 3:1 numbers?”
            Most basic invasion? Dude stop sniffing glue.. sure 1DQ is just a typical system, just a blop away. No wonder goons are losing this war.

            May 18, 2021 at 9:41 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Dripple

            “which you can contest?”

            You realize 3:1 odds only lets you contest so much? What am I saying, of course you know that, it’s why you blued 3/4’s of nullsec before going to war….

            May 20, 2021 at 4:14 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Dripple

            “The current game just doesn’t support, it simply doesn’t have the capacity to handle a full super assault to 1DQ so as we saw in M2.”

            Yeah ok, I’ll call bullshit, we saw the game handle it just fucking fine 4 times in NPC delve. What it requires is for one side (mainly yours) to not yolo 5000 ppl all at the same time into a grid 15 minutes before the timer ends directly into a massive swarm of already deployed fighter bombers and 5000 other pre-loaded ppl. That’s literally all it takes, goons managed that 4 times in a row in NPC fountain can’t your idiot leaders managed to do it at least once?

            May 17, 2021 at 11:40 PM
          • Dripple Garreth Vlox

            So strategic plan which you think PAPI should take is to gate into 1DQ? Or are goons going to cycle down their cyno jammers?
            Did you even think before you posted that? Or did you just copy/paste that from goons propaganda forum?

            May 18, 2021 at 9:44 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Dripple

            “Did you even think before you posted that?”

            I spent more time thinking about my post than vily did before giving the jump order in m2-

            May 20, 2021 at 4:13 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Garreth Vlox

            I think you ended this war right here ;-).

            May 20, 2021 at 6:02 AM
          • Dripple Garreth Vlox

            Even after all that hard thinking, you still suggest PAPI to gate into 1DQ?
            Try to “think a little more” and see if there is some flaws in your plan.

            May 20, 2021 at 7:31 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Dripple

            Back to the “goons must log off” fantasy again? As I am not sure how PAPI intend to “burn 1DQ” without entering the system. A little thinking would have been nice from PAPI leadership. 1 year, 150k char, self-declared best FC team in the game and so much more, yet 1DQ still stands.

            May 20, 2021 at 11:17 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Dripple

            I love how you act like 1dq1 is a dead end system with a single gate and cyno’s aren’t a thing… it’s just so adorable, like watching a toddler take his first steps.

            May 20, 2021 at 5:05 PM
      • Sirhan Blixt Seir Luciel

        Goons used to have 52 keepstars; now they have 11

        I know that’s the only drum you have, but beating on it really does not help you. All it does is remind everybody that your side cannot complete its objectives if they are at all contested.

        May 17, 2021 at 4:28 AM
        • Seir Luciel Sirhan Blixt

          Goon drums:

          — “But your leaders said . . . !”
          — “When are those Titan’s getting SRPed?”
          — M2
          — “How long until you attack 1DQ”
          — “Passpi has no plan and are cowards”
          — “Eat my ass”

          — Serenity 2.0

          PAPI drums:
          –Where’s your buildings?
          — Where’s your space?

          That’s just the rhythm of war, baby.

          May 17, 2021 at 4:34 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            Pretty sure the original PAPI drum was:

            Stop goons from playing the game.

            There were a couple of other bits as well. Your version seems rather tame to what has been said by PAPI leadership. You seen INIT recently by the way? Last I heard Brave was calling them a dead alliance and what not.

            May 17, 2021 at 4:46 AM
          • “Your version seems rather tame to what has been said by PAPI leadership” thanks for confirming goon drum no 1.

            May 17, 2021 at 1:58 PM
          • Sirhan Blixt Seir Luciel

            What is that supposed to be– some sort of rebuttal?

            May 17, 2021 at 4:56 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

            PAPI drums:
            — Where’s your buildings?
            — Where’s your space?
            –Where’s my m2- titan SRP?

            You left one out so I added it for you.

            May 17, 2021 at 11:37 PM
  • Seir Luciel

    Goons deserve their praises: those were some amazing bombing runs. Props to them, without irony or sarcasm.

    I wouldn’t expect any less; what’s the point in fighting a worthy enemy if they are just going to lay down and die without a fight. I’d rather take 1DQ knowing Goons did everything they could to stop it.

    “The will to power can manifest itself only against resistances; therefore it seeks that which resists it.”

    “What is a pleasure but: an excitation of the feeling of power by an obstacle . . . Thus all pleasure includes pain. — If the pleasure is to be very great, the pains must be very protracted and the tension of the bow tremendous.”

    — Friedrich Nietzsche

    May 16, 2021 at 4:35 PM
    • kwnyupstate . Seir Luciel

      You can’t take 1DQ with subcaps against capital ships.

      May 16, 2021 at 5:36 PM
      • Garreth Vlox kwnyupstate .

        Watch them try and pull a NPC delve keepstar style fight. vily and procoward really do think they do to our keeps what we did to theirs because they don’t understand how big of a difference a fitted gunned keepstar and dozens of gunned forts will make.

        May 17, 2021 at 1:17 AM
    • Oh my god, we’ve reached the “quoting Nietzsche” phase of the campaign.

      May 16, 2021 at 7:17 PM
      • Seir Luciel Ganthrithor

        I don’t see why you should mind. Nietzsche is specifically GoonWaffe’s description: “dintlu: also in every baby. he is their past and present. not their future. babys are left by god and become neitchze”

        May 16, 2021 at 7:24 PM
  • PGL 2020: “We have the biggest supercap fleet in the history of EVE– we are going to use it to crush the Imperium until they all unsub from EVE.”

    ~*yeets superfleet into a meatgrinder, loses a zillion titans and languishes logoffski’d on grid for months*~

    Also PGL: “Supercap mechanics are obviously terrible, we always knew we’d never be able to engage in a straight-up fight against Goons, we just have to tough this out over the next five years with Feroxes but I promise we’re making really good progress and even though it looks like we’re not accomplishing anything its just because we’re not in a rush– we wouldn’t want to rush and complete a campaign in less than a year– and really if we just stick with it and welp a few thousand more Muninns we’ll really be giving these evil goonies a run for their money– or we won’t, but that’s ok because this unprecedented ganging-up against an opponent a third of our collective size is ~*really hard*~ guys. Nobody has ever tried something so audacious as engaging in a series of “low-commitment” fights in a war they should’ve won months ago against an opponent 1/3 their size. Keep up the good fight, guys– our ultimate genocide victory is right around the corner, any year now.”

    May 16, 2021 at 7:12 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Ganthrithor

      I like how he keeps acting like there’s no rush to finish vily’s year long war even though they are sitting 1 gate jump away from the final target. Procoward now finds himself in the worst possible position for an idiot leader to be in within Eve. He has numerical superiority, his enemy is surrounded, and they have to fight if he hits one of their few remaining key assets. At this point the only thing he needs is an actual plan and the spine needed to commit to that plan.

      May 17, 2021 at 1:15 AM
    • phuzz Ganthrithor

      PGL has always been at war with Oceania.

      May 18, 2021 at 11:49 AM
  • Garreth Vlox

    “I would say our progress is on track, even ahead of schedule somewhat,”

    This mans dealer is legendary, he’s so high he’s forgotten that with the largest coalition ever formed he still hasn’t “won” the war his idiot pal started a year ago.

    May 17, 2021 at 1:10 AM
  • Elithiel en Gravonere

    I actually think we’ve now got the strength to go back on the offensive and take more space. The only reason we don’t is that it is easier to kill papi coming into our constellation. After playing a great game like ESO, I quickly learnt why one side can never truly hold all the space for very long in the Alliance war. What tends to happen is, the backfield’s open up and you can simply attack the enemy in multiple places at once. It’s seriously a major disadvantage to be over stretched. The oppressor ends up having to play a game of whackamole which, soon tires them out and then at a certain level of critical mass, the other side starts taking space again. I believe this is the stage we are at with Eve online’s war too. When I first got into the war, Papi outnumbered us 4 to 1 on every fight. Now it’s more like 2:1 ratio or sometimes as low as 1.3:1 ratio. This to me is our moment to burn Passpi in multiple places at once and we are starting that process now. Ever wondered why major empires fail militarily? It’s the overstretched issue. It sends them broke having to put down all the rebellions across the world/galaxy/universe.

    The longer Passpi leave it, the more overstretched they become. The more overstretched they are, the most costlier the whole thing is for their side and the more opportunities to hit their stuff gets presented. If they rush in with capitals, they face the possibility of becoming irrelevant. If they continue with the siege, the more overstretched they are on their backfields as we burn them. Either way, Passpi I predict, will lose this war in the end.

    May 17, 2021 at 5:49 AM
  • Zaand

    Congrats, you out-blobbed us and still can’t make any progress when we actually defend.

    May 17, 2021 at 11:13 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Zaand

      We defended plenty, but even numbers can’t defeat infinite reships IN the system you are fighting for when combined with the way the 1dq1 grid is built.

      May 17, 2021 at 11:33 PM
  • Garreth Vlox

    It says the imperium fought and held off 3/4’s of nullsec by themselves, but you can only do so much when outnumber by a 3:1 margin, you literally can’t be everywhere they attack all the time.

    It says a lot more about us that we managed to burn down all of tapi space and have now started on other people’s space in less than 10% of the time it took them to NOT evict us.

    May 17, 2021 at 11:32 PM
  • Novartis

    Oh, and I also wonder why PAPI still can’t take goons down even after nearly a whole year in war toward something a third in member size(and even more if territory wise), and keep looking for many more excuse for not invading 1-DQ back several months ago

    May 18, 2021 at 9:57 AM