PAPI Repelled in 3-DMQT

2021-04-28

Header art by Cryo Huren

The PAPI Coalition lost 1000 ships, as their first attempt on the O-EIMK constellation failed despite superior numbers. Both sides announced the new industry changes by throwing the HAC meta against a wall, deploying battlecruisers and battleships in a close-range bloody brawl over the jump bridge to 1DQ1-A. Preliminary battle reports saw PAPI failing to achieve any objectives but slightly winning the ISK war with 111bn in kills to 75bn in losses.

Spurred on, perhaps, by this weekend’s multiple Townhall-type addresses, the PAPI Coalition began their assault on 1DQ. Forming over four fleets, the attackers initially attempted to destroy cyno jammers in the gateway system of 3-DMQT. A strong Imperium response saw the BRAVE fleet commanded by Kel Drosto abort this attempt and switch to the jump bridge that allows instant reinforcements from the Imperium’s capital.

Image by r/Eve user Looktoyourleft_1

First Wave Ineffective

The assault, which occured about 20:00 EVE time, followed a series of smaller incursions that have take place over the past few days. Feroxes from Pandemic Horde were repelled on Monday, followed by a Fraternity fleet that was destroyed in 1DQ itself, the latter battle costing 12bn for 500mil in kills. The PAPI tactic, attempting to probe for weaknesses in the system’s defenses, follows Horde leader Gobbin’s statement that they didn’t want to drop supers into the 1DQ constellation. It appears that the Ferox will be the ship that will carry the PAPI flag to the Imperial Palace.

Tuesday’s battle, on April 27, saw more than 1600 ships destroyed with 1200 of them belonging to the PAPI Coalition. The Imperium lost 19 dreadnaughts to achieve their objective, but will consider that a worthwhile sacrifice, as PAPI were forced to withdraw with only 10% remaining on the jump bridge’s armor. Targeting the bridge with their drones, PAPI were unable to achieve the required damage in 10% tidi.

The Bridge Holds

As the fight intensified, time dilation increased; the Imperium brought dreadnaughts and FAX support through the jump bridge. As PAPI targeted the dreads, Applepear’s Baltec fleet was primaried by a TEST Ferox fleet. Unable to break the large battleships, they were forced to switch targets whilst sustaining heavy loses. Imperium fleet commanders co-ordinated targets, with the Initiative deploying its Holy Fleet of Apocalypse & Abaddon battleships that delivered heavy EM damage, boosted by the electrical storm present in E-D.

Throughout the fight, numerous suicidal bombing runs from the Imperium targeted their own bridge in a successful attempt to clear the hostile attacking drones. With the reinforcement of the bridge teetering in the balance, the weight of firepower delivered by Megathron, Bhaalgorn, Apocolypse and Abaddon class battleships was too much for the heavily damaged PAPI fleets. Unwilling to suffer further losses, the attackers withdrew under fire, saving what remained of their ships, but failing to achieve their objective.

PAPI fleets (red) retreat under heavy fire.

The Iron Price

This fight may prove to be a matrix of what is to come, as PAPI attempts to break into the Imperium’s capital. Previously chastised for their slow and methodological clearing of Keepstars throughout Delve, questions have been raised about the PAPI coalition’s willingness to take heavy losses in order to achieve tough objectives. The only example of them paying the butcher’s bill was in the M2-XFE extraction, where hundreds of dreadnaughts were lost to extract their trapped titan fleet.

Having backed Goonswarm into a corner after ten months of hard fighting, their first attempt at the final victory has proved that against inferior numbers, they were unwilling to risk larger ships in a risky fight. In addition, the failure to stay on grid with such a short amount of time remaining to achieve their objective poses questions about their leadership’s ability to absorb losses. The Ferox may seem like a replaceable option, but with the impact of the industry changes on bloc warfare still uncertain, the loss of 500 battlecruisers in a day may prove more costly than PAPI will want to admit.

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Comments

  • Deni'z von Meanace

    Imp propaganda should claim it as a historical breakdown victory and start of the PAPI’s end.

    April 28, 2021 at 11:55 AM
    • Rammel Kas Deni'z von Meanace

      Hmm… we are being pragmatic. It is a defensive war against 3:1 numbers still.

      April 28, 2021 at 12:39 PM
      • chimpy Rammel Kas

        I wonder hypothetically when this war is done and long in the rear view mirror, if elements of PAPI currently outnumbering Goons 3:1, will complain about themselves being similarly outnumbered by bigger foes in the future? It will be interesting to watch all the “rules for thee but not for me” hurff blurffs about unfair numbers.

        April 28, 2021 at 2:20 PM
  • Novartis

    Can I just say that the new headline picture is gold?

    April 28, 2021 at 12:58 PM
    • Gray Doc Novartis

      As the guy that wanted that pic, thanks very much. I know not every reader is gonna get that, but when you DO get it, sweeeeeet! And the artist did a great job. Cryo Huren, an incredible talent.

      April 28, 2021 at 1:47 PM
  • Marus

    Lets translate a little this article: what matters most is the loss of 500 feroxes, a total of 1000 or whatever ships and the loss of the objective; in the same time it is of absolute zero importance that the imperium lost 19 dreads and 111 bn ISK. The concerning fact is that losing 500 feroxes in a single day is of no comparison with 19 dreads, because with the new industry changes the dreads will be much more easy to rebuild compared to the tech I battlecruiser hulls. Goon propaganda at it’s finest. Lets see which side can afford losing 500 feroxes a day or 111 bn ISK a day.

    April 28, 2021 at 2:40 PM
    • Eve_Osir1s Marus

      Assuming The Imperium doesn’t do more warbonds, whatever trillions is left times 10 days, plus TTC income & taxes. If the imperium were able to do another warbond drive and get similar numbers (+200 days), the war could last well over a year at this rate tbh.

      April 28, 2021 at 3:10 PM
      • Marus Eve_Osir1s

        You may be right, it could still take a long time but …I think there are lots of “if” and lost of “assuming” on the imperium side. Of course the other side (PAPI) also has some “if” but I personally give it the advantage because we have pretty much our space, our industry and our production capabilities unafected.

        April 28, 2021 at 3:35 PM
        • kwnyupstate . Marus

          Only thing that matters is whether PAPI will accept huge titan and super losses to try to take 1DQ and PAPI still hasn’t SRPed the ship lost in M2. If your industry is so great why is it months after M2 and those dude still haven’t all gotten SRP? You can’t take 1DQ with subcaps so I doubt more people will accept losing their big toys knowing they won’t get SRPed for years.

          April 29, 2021 at 5:14 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Marus

          “we have pretty much our space, our industry and our production capabilities unafected.”

          Really? What region did we fail to burn to the ground that you have a large industry base in? And if you say delve or querious this comment section is going to get out of hand.

          April 30, 2021 at 4:22 AM
    • Dave Stark Marus

      “lets pretend we didn’t lose half of what we lost, and also failed the objective but lets totally include absolutely all imperium losses”. and you’re pretending this article is propaganda?

      if you were being any more transparent about your lack of intellect, we’d frame you and call you a window.

      April 28, 2021 at 3:46 PM
      • Menaiya Dave Stark

        I’ll have to remember that last line. its good. I snorted soda into my nose thanks to that….

        April 28, 2021 at 3:56 PM
      • Marus Dave Stark

        Don’t know what you are quoting, you might have an intellect glich, I have never said we are pretending we had no losses. This article is propaganda because it tries so hard at putting in front of the reader big numbers like 1000 ships and 500 feroxes and a picture with some fleets tactically retreating while subtle only mentioning a small 111 bn bill along with some 19 dreads that will surely be easier to rebuild than some tech I battlecruiser hull. Fact is we lost the objective, you have lost the ISK in that one. We will sure try again and again, remains to be seen if you can afford the ISK again and again.

        April 28, 2021 at 4:06 PM
        • Democritus Marus

          You actually can’t try again and again. The ISK involved with every fleet you put through the meat grinder is largely irrelevant. What is relevant is that you will have less and less pilots logging in each time until the critical mass that you think you need, is not there anymore. I’ve seen this over and over since the beginning of EVE. So technically, if you can’t break in relatively early, its game over. The numbers in yesterday fight on Papi’s side were down already over the night before.

          April 29, 2021 at 2:26 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Marus

          “Don’t know what you are quoting”

          Dave isn’t quoting anything, he’s just calling you stupid, and you somehow managed to not figure that out.

          April 30, 2021 at 4:19 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Marus

          “We will sure try again and again, remains to be seen if you can afford the ISK again and again.”

          LOL, your leaders still can’t afford to replace the titans you lost MONTHS AGO………… I don’t know how many periods are appropriate to let that to sink in but I feel obligated to use a shit ton.

          April 30, 2021 at 4:21 AM
    • Zaand Marus

      We’ve been stockpiling dreads for years. I have 5 in my hangar alone. We can feed dreads for months.

      Now let’s go check the Jita market and see if there are more than 100 feroxes for sale now.

      April 28, 2021 at 7:27 PM
      • Dave Stark Zaand

        when i checked earlier, there wasn’t. there were less than 80, and of those 80, 22 were listed at the highest price on the market – around 170m/unit.

        April 29, 2021 at 3:47 PM
    • Deni'z von Meanace Marus

      Hey man, the thing is Your side is not going to bring anything bigger than poor Feroxes anytime soon since you don’t have spare dreads after M2.

      April 28, 2021 at 8:27 PM
  • Guilford Australis

    This always was the weak part of Gobbins’ plan. He’s been successful limiting PAPI’s fighting to the most cowardly conditions imaginable – only with an overwhelming numerical advantage, only in uncontested systems that have been held for 35 days and cyno-jammed (or in slapfights over I-Hubs so that he CAN create that condition), and with a hasty retreat planned for the first sign of serious resistance even if it means failing the objective. Listen to the recent SOTA. He actually admits all of that.

    But he insisted on boxing The Imperium into a very small area, thus guaranteeing 10% tidi in all upcoming fights, which massively benefits the defender. He’s also said he is unwilling to risk supers on 1DQ (he could have ended that sentence after the word “supers” and it would have been more accurate) and will use Rokhs and other gimmicks to try to kill five Keepstars in The Imperium’s home system – where we already have all our supers and, unlike Gobbins, aren’t too craven to use them. Has Gobbins ever seem what a Doomsday does to a Rokh fleet?

    PAPI might have had more luck trying to snipe 1DQ when The Imperium was still somewhat spread out in Delve. But Gobbins wanted to be a weenie and nibble around every single border system system until he ended up compressing us into the smallest area possible, thereby creating precisely the conditions he said he wanted to avoid for an assault on 1DQ. He can thank his own cowardice for that.

    April 28, 2021 at 2:41 PM
    • Have you ever seen a doomsday firing? Do you know how a doomsday works?? A doomsday fired at a subcapital fleet will do litterally nothing because it will vaporise exactly 5 ships. It is not an area weapon, it is a weapon ment to kill 5 capital or supercapital (maybe) ships with 1 shot. So, pls explain to us what will happen if a doomsday will be fired on a 250 rokh battleships fleet?!

      April 28, 2021 at 2:52 PM
      • Guilford Australis Marus

        The Imperium has, in fact, wiped poorly placed subcap fleets with Doomsdays. It’s quite entertaining.

        April 28, 2021 at 2:56 PM
        • Keep it up then! Do you think we give a shit about 5 subcapitals gone every 10 mins from the doomsday? It will only take your keepstar 50 times to activate the doomsday to kill a full subcapital fleet (just by using only the doomsday).

          April 28, 2021 at 3:01 PM
          • Guilford Australis Marus

            Then for your sake I hope you no longer have FCs like the idiots you had during our excursions up north, who ordered their Muninn fleets to approach or keep at range then turned straight toward the Imperium titan blob.

            For my sake, I hope you still have those FCs. That’s not five dead ships. That’s a dead fleet.

            April 28, 2021 at 3:02 PM
          • Zaand Marus

            You do know that there are ships called titans, and these titans have AOE doomsdays, and the Imperium has an absolute metric fuck ton of these titans that we are itching to use.

            April 28, 2021 at 7:24 PM
          • Marus Zaand

            You do know he was refering to the keepstar’s doomsday and we don’t give a fuck about a titan trying to doomsday a subcapital fleet in the middle of a supercapital battle

            April 29, 2021 at 1:07 PM
          • Zaand Marus

            What supercap battle? Your leadership has already declared that they are going to take 1DQ with just subs. That there won’t be a super battle. So yeah, good luck flying subcaps against supers.

            April 29, 2021 at 2:35 PM
      • Garreth Vlox Marus

        “Have you ever seen a doomsday firing? Do you know how a doomsday works?? A doomsday fired at a subcapital fleet will do litterally nothing because it will vaporise exactly 5 ships.”

        You realize that there is an AOE version of the DD dipshit? And we used it to melt an entire fleet of DREADS in the m2- breakout attempt? You think battleships will manage to tank what your dreads couldn’t? Wait do you even play eve?

        April 30, 2021 at 4:13 AM
  • kwnyupstate .

    PAPI fails against less numbers by Imperium. Story of the war.

    April 28, 2021 at 4:28 PM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    The only good thing I’ve seen is that BS are back. Remember the days when Apoc fleet was matter and Temp doctrine was a thing. Sigh.

    April 28, 2021 at 8:30 PM