Meta-Game failure of our Time?


Header art by Major Sniper.

This is a piece that I was not expecting to write at all, or at least not for 5 years. In fact the only reason I write it is to give a better explanation of the recent debacle involving Brisc, Pando and Dark Shines. Their story is a sorry one that is filled with error and possibly something more sinister.

The Meta Show of April 27, 2019 was quite the eye opener, and you can check it out here.

Totally Exonerated!

To be very clear in this, Brisc, Pando and DarkShines did nothing wrong at all. With more facts coming out this was shown, without any question, to be the case.

The Public Face of the Story

This story starts on April 8, 2019 with an announcement by CCP that a member of the CSM was removed, given a lifetime ban and that other players had also been banned for a year. In very short order many publications repeated the allegations against those affect by CCP’s decision. Some were seemingly ecstatic at the news as it was further proof of what such bad people the Goons were and how corrupt the CSM is.

The announcement was quite shocking to those involved and very surprising to many others. There were also others that were looking to find the truth.

In relatively short order (April 17, 2019) we saw an update from CCP advising that they were revisiting this incident to carry out an investigation. Again we saw those hostile to the Imperium cry very loudly of foul play on behalf of the Imperium. However others were asking the question, why was this not investigated better in the first place? Which in all fairness was a good question to ask. The update from CCP also contained language that was considered to be quite interesting. The language used suggested that any wrong doing on the part of CCP would be corrected.

On the April 25, the final statement on the matter was issued by CCP. The wrongly accused were of course very happy with this outcome. Their corp, alliance and coalition members were also very happy with this. The three players banned contribute greatly to EVE Online and to lose them in such a manner was a travesty of justice. But this was corrected in game and efforts by CCP were being made to ensure that the false allegations were corrected by all of those who benefited from the now baseless headlines.

For many this is where it was expected that the story would end. CCP had done the right thing and kudos to them. Yes, errors were made but efforts were made to correct them. Messing things up and then putting your hands up to your errors is not something that everyone can or will embrace. But in this instance CCP acted responsibly.

Chain of Events

The following has been gleamed from a number of sources and exact transactions have not been shown as yet. But the main thread of events is one that has not been called into question at this time.

  • Dark Shines owned a Molok. This is a very expensive ship of the Titan class. Dark Shines had been looking to sell this Molok for sometime with little success.
  • Eventually Dark Shines sells his Molok to a fellow corp member.
  • By methods as yet unknown this Molok is then sold to penifSMASH.
  • penifSMASH then flips this Molok seemingly as quickly as he can to another member of Snuffed Out.
  • penifSMASH then presents “evidence” to Killah Bee, who is a member of the CSM.
  • Killah Bee then dutifully passes on the information to CCP.
  • CCP then ban three players for supposed rule infractions.

The Plot Thickens

During the Meta Show on April 27, more information came out with regard to how the original allegations were passed to CCP. In short order it was revealed that it was penifSMASH passed on information regarding the sale of the Molok by Dark Shines to CSM member and Northern Coalition Dot FC Killah Bee.

penifSMASH is a long standing enemy of the Imperium. Perhaps penifSMASH was well intended with him putting his “evidence” before Killah Bee. But The Mittani suggests otherwise. You see when people play the meta-game, one thing that is very hard for them to do is to keep their mouths shut about their successes. This seems to be the case for penifSMASH. There are plenty of Discord channels and other platforms that are not bound by an NDA. In these seedier parts there was talk of the victory gained against Initiative and the Imperium. That talk alluded to the involvement of penifSMASH meta-gaming CCP.

Questions, Questions and yet more Questions.

With this revelation more questions present themselves.

What will the leader of Snuffed Out (Hy Wanto Destroyer) do? The reason for this question is that Snuffed Out and Initiative had a good working relationship and also share blue standings. penifSMASH is the leader of the corporation ElitistOps. Interestingly Elitistops claim that they are all about “Duty. Honoure. Courage. Gloury.”. Elitistops also go on to say “We are only honroable pilots so if you are dishonorable do not apply!”. But most importantly Elitistops were a member of Pandemic Legion for almost a decade. This should be of interest as PL have been very hostile to The Imperium for many years. Will Hy Wanto Destroyer stand by this very new addition of a corporation to Snuffed Out? Or will Hy Wanto Destroyer realise that he has been meta-gamed and look to repair the fractured relations between Initiative and Snuffed Out?

Sister Bliss, the leader of the Initiative, has stood by his alliance members throughout. Now that they have been vindicated of all wrong doing and these latest allegations have come to light their next move is uncertain. Will Sister Bliss and the members of Initiative be looking for revenge? More importantly who will their attention turn to?

The leader of The Imperium, The Mittani, was visibly vexed at the stunning news. Equally many members of The Imperium are also greatly incensed at this turn of events. With such strong links back to PanFam (Pandemic Legion, Northern Coalition. and Pandemic Horde) one can only think that the hate for PanFam will increase and not diminish. One thing that The Mittani has always stated very clearly is that The Imperium is “the best of friends and the worst of enemies”.

The Sound of Silence

With a sense of fairness in mind I sent penifSMASH an in-game mail asking if they would like to comment on these most recent events. As expected I was very polite and made sure to sign the mail with my name. At this time no response has been received back from penifSMASH. If penifSMASH does answer I will be sure to add to this article, at least in the comments.

There were also many that were privy to talk in back channels that knew more of this story than was publicly available. Where are those people? Why did they remain silent? Was it because they saw that the wrongful actions of CCP benefited themselves?

Some Eve shows and publications are clinging onto their initial beliefs and statements. They have spoken and written lots about this incident and seem unwilling to correct their serious errors. Will they be as quick to act upon this most recent information? Possibly more importantly will they shout as loudly and with such fervour as they have with the initial and now completely unfounded allegations?

Lessons Learnt

In all of this debacle there are lessons to be learnt. CCP, I would hope, have learnt that a process of investigation should be followed. Additionally that the findings of such an investigation should not be presented in the same way as has happened in this instance.

CSM members should also have learnt that although they are obligated to pass on information of alleged wrong doing to CCP, that they should present it in such a way to ensure impartiality. It is important to note that generally the CSM has served our game well. They have prevented mistakes to game-play that we all benefit from. They gain no reward for their efforts and are often between a rock and a hard place. They are deserving of support rather than derision. Just take a moment to think about what our game would look like if they had not fought as they have.

Eve players need to know that there are some within the game that will go to extraordinary lengths to adversely affect their perceived enemies.

Texan Space Lawyers

In all of this mess we did see a number of people jumping in with their legal council. Not wishing to leave these folks with nothing to do I will direct them to section 6.A.5 of the EULA for Eve Online. I look forward to their “informed opinions”.

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  • Garreth Vlox

    What I want to know is if it was reasonable for CCP to ban the three players involved in unloading the molok for perceived insider trading. Why was the person who then flipped said molok not also banned for acting on what they also thought was legit insider info? In the scenario described and verified by Hy on the show Penif actually did what he falsely implicated dark shines of doing.

    April 29, 2019 at 9:47 AM
    • Moomin Amatin Garreth Vlox

      This is a very good question indeed. A gold star and a house-point for you!

      Another good question would be, were any other faction titans sold during this time frame? If there were any, were those involved also banned?

      April 29, 2019 at 9:59 AM
    • Rammel Kas Garreth Vlox

      Or the flip happened post-patch notes release. We don’t necessarily have that information standing on the outside.

      However for me this sordid episode has just confirmed again what quite a few people have been saying about a some of the people involved. I do see question marks. I do not see answers.

      Killah Bee, fair do he kicked the information up the chain. But what the sweet f**k was he doing on the morning after trying to cajole some kind of perjuring response out of Brisk on a talk show from what I hear? Hmm. Would the ethical thing not have been to avoid such platforms? Could one interpretation not surely be seen as an attempt to dox the guy in real life after the tepid meta play? So many ways this could have gone even worse.

      The impression I have of Pen**Face is as a guy who would burn his alts, blowing his load… prematurely… for the sake of a single gank. Sure he’s good at monkey see monkey do with the cloaky stuff. Terrible at the longer game. And so touchy. Like that Olmeca reddit Lordship he hangs out with.

      April 29, 2019 at 10:19 AM
      • Moomin Amatin Rammel Kas

        Hard to argue against you in the main.

        The main point for me was to offer something that told the story of the INIT 3 a little more clearly than the trash that others have spewed out about this. I hope that in this piece I have managed to do so.

        April 29, 2019 at 10:43 AM
      • Garreth Vlox Rammel Kas

        Granted there is no time table presented for when the flip occurred but based on hy’s statements it sounded like he flipped ASAP to avoid taking a bath on what he thought was going to be a devalued titan. And while I don’t take issue with killah pushing it up the chain because as was pointed out he did have to do so to avoid being accused of covering it up, his actions afterward seem to border on trying to push people into thinking the worst even though he admitted he had no way of knowing one way or the other what actually went on.

        April 29, 2019 at 7:56 PM
  • Erick Asmock

    I am having an issue reconciling that CCP was not in on meta-game. By that I mean someone at CCP who represents CCP.

    The initial statement from CCP was worded as if this was irrefutable and the entirety of the CSM was united with CCP in this action.

    In the end the evidence appears unbelievably thin and lacking. Dare I say it appears all based on speculation of extraordinary lengths.

    It looks like some adult at CCP finally stepped forward and addressed the issue. It begs the question. Who is in charge at CCP?

    April 29, 2019 at 11:01 AM
    • Moomin Amatin Erick Asmock

      So many fine questions.

      As we do not know who Killah passed the information onto and how it was handled subsequently we are unlikely to get any real answers.

      Perhaps the information was passed onto a junior member at CCP who had not the slightest idea of how to investigate. Perhaps no training is offered to the person who handled it. Is there a process of investigation and was that process followed?

      What we do know for certain though is:

      The Init 3 have been rightly freed.
      penifSMASH acted in bad faith.

      Perhaps if we are to consider who would benefit from this action we could speculate a little more. Now I wonder who would have benefited from all of this the most? 😉

      I guess another thing we could say is that for reasons as yet unknown Hy Wanto seems to be supporting penifSMASH in his actions. Which I have to say seems a little weird.

      April 29, 2019 at 11:16 AM
      • Well I think CCP should come clean on why this happened. If it was a untrained employee then why are such members allowed to have this latitude of wielding the ban hammer. Like the greed is good comment of yore, CCP needs to understand that Eve is more than just a game to a lot of people and as such these people deserve the respect of at least having a full investigation before they are booted from the game.

        April 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM
        • Erick Asmock Lrrp

          Begs the question: Who is in charge at CCP?

          April 29, 2019 at 2:08 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Erick Asmock

            For the initial investigation of the information supplied by penifSMASH, in bad faith, one could easily assume an intern? 😉

            April 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM
        • Didn’t I hear that, something-something new PR dude hired at CCP, player support of CSM low, new PR dude hears allegation and tries to go ham on the perps in a public effort to restore trust in the CSM?

          May 1, 2019 at 5:07 AM
  • Lrrp

    Not to be arsed to read the EULA, just what is the problem with buying and selling a item at a better price? So if I find in contracts a ship that is being fire sale’d , I can’t buy it and turn around and resell it at a profit.?

    April 29, 2019 at 11:37 AM
    • Moomin Amatin Lrrp

      Buying and selling an item is not the issue here, either for a profit or a loss.

      penifSMASH claimed that he was sold the Molok by someone using information gained from a CSM meeting. This is a baseless accusation that does not stand up with the slightest of scrutiny. So penifSMASH has to my mind acted in bad faith.

      April 29, 2019 at 11:44 AM
      • Ah, the vagaries of EvE extending to real life. Thanks for the explanation.

        April 29, 2019 at 12:28 PM
      • Sylphinja the Dark Rose Moomin Amatin

        Did we find out if Dark Shines was selling his Titan prior or post csm informed nerf of said titan?

        April 29, 2019 at 1:10 PM
        • Moomin Amatin Sylphinja the Dark Rose

          Yes we did and it was up for sale on the Imperium forums well before any nerf talk in accordance with Imperium rules for capital ship sales.

          penifSMASH acted in bad faith.

          April 29, 2019 at 1:29 PM
        • How did you skip past the whole article?

          April 29, 2019 at 3:19 PM
          • Sylphinja the Dark Rose Rammel Kas

            I didn’t. But the article didn’t specifically mention in it’s timeline what Moomin confirmed to me 2 days ago.

            Hence, I posed my question. Because it needed to be asked.

            May 1, 2019 at 8:05 PM
  • Guilford Australis

    I suspected Killah Bee was involved in this after listening to the Talking in Stations interview with Brisc. Toward the end, Matterall asked Killah if he knew anything about all of this prior to CCP’s initial statement. There is a long pause, followed by a terse “I can’t answer that.” Nevertheless, like Moomin, I’m not making assumptions about his motives.

    It is difficult, however, to extend the same charity to CCP, whose actions and initial statement now appear outrageously disproportionate to the weak and ambiguous evidence they were looking at. Given the tone of their statement and the scorched-earth tactics toward Brisc, Dark Shines, and Pando, I assumed they had chat logs or… actual evidence of any kind. I’m normally willing to give CCP the benefit of the doubt (despite the endless scorn that earns for me from crusty bittervets) but even I have to admit this will make that difficult moving forward.

    I imagine the INIT boys are grateful CCP fixed its mistakes, but they must also be wondering (to paraphrase the famous observation about acquittal being a Pyrrhic victory) which office they can go to to get their reputations back.

    April 29, 2019 at 5:11 PM
    • Moomin Amatin Guilford Australis

      I have spent a fair bit of today looking into this and thinking more about it. So how about this…..

      penifSHAMSH has darker history as it were. Scamming, AWOXing and apparently even spying. So what if penifSMASH passed on this so called “evidence” to KillahBee and told him “this stuff is all super solid, go get ’em”. KillahBee then passed this onto CCP thinking that it is all good “evidence” as he did not bother to really check the evidence himself. I mean that is not KillahBee’s job after all, that is for CCP. Then KillahBee goes onto a show thinking that he is onto a winner and runs his mouth a bit as the bans have happened. All the time KillahBee thinks it is a solid win for PanFam.

      Now at best CCP’s initial investigation is a poorly run affair and at worst someone in CCP is complicit. But due to the manner in which CCP handled the announcement it all gains a lot of attention. So much so that they do go back and look again. Especially after many point out the time line of events and transaction history. CCP then discover that the “evidence” provided by penifSMASH is total trash and reverse the bans.

      The Meta Show comes about and Mittens is keen for KillahBee and Hy Wanto Destroyer to be present. Mittens throws down some bombshells and KillahBee does not contradict him, while of course keeping within the NDA. Hy Wanto then goes on to reveal a bit more about penifSMASH and then tries really hard to defend him. Hy Wanto probably expected to be able to go onto the show and trash talk KillahBee about the incident. Instead it ended up looking quite poorly for Hy Wanto. I mean either he is stupid and did not know what penifSMASH was up to or he is a willing instrument of PanFam in trying to hurt Initiative.

      No matter what penifSMASH tried to cause harm to Initiative and probably just expected a short term ban for the Init 3. But for whatever reason CCP went nuclear and hit the Init 3 with a really hefty ban.

      But this is all blowing up as more and more as information is creeping out. If only penifSMASH and his buddies had kept their mouths shut and for CCP to be quieter in their bans of the Init 3 then none of this would have come to light.

      The thing is, as daft as that all may sound it is a lot more credible than the banning of 3 people for the sale of 1 Molok. While the guy who reported them goes free despite having sold the very same Molok prior to reporting it to CCP.

      April 29, 2019 at 7:18 PM
  • Yo, it’s not just that, “They were in PL”: PenifSMASH and the rest of ElitistOps are ex-Goons. They were members of Olde Goonswarm Blackops before those shitposting sperglords were banned from Goonswarm by Darius JOHNSON. I don’t even remember what the original argument was about, but those fuckwits made a Blackops corporation (ElitistOps) and started doing things with it that DJ didn’t appreciate. When he ordered them to stop doing whatever it was they were doing and they refused, he banned them all from Goonswarm.

    Penif and Ribeye and all those dudes are fucking awful, toxic assholes. Penif always posted like a barely-coherent moron: it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he tried to “metagame” someone and fucked it up this badly. Not out of character in the slightest for a super bitter former Goon.

    April 30, 2019 at 4:38 AM
    • Moomin Amatin Ganthrithor

      Thank you very much for the background information as not everyone has access to the GSF Wiki in which both penifSMASH and Elitist Ops appear.

      April 30, 2019 at 5:40 AM
  • Moomin Amatin

    I am not even sure why the price of a Molok would decline. Still the best Titan in the game. If I was hearing things right prices are going up and not down.

    April 30, 2019 at 5:30 AM
  • dragonshardz

    One thing I don’t quite understand is how the Molok flip was used as evidence of malfeasance, unless the Molok is slated to be nerfed in some fashion and the flip was presented as “Hey guys, Brisc warned his allies to sell their shit before the nerf is announced!”

    April 30, 2019 at 6:11 AM
    • Moomin Amatin dragonshardz

      penifSMASH is the only person who can answer this and for some odd reason they and their buddies and being unusually quiet. Also many others seem to be rather quiet about this all. Just imagine if a Goon had done this.

      It has also been shown that Dark Shines did not even seem to have sold the Molok directly to penifSMASH. It was another character.

      At the end of the day the Molok is likely to still be the best Titan in the game.

      April 30, 2019 at 9:04 AM
  • Rammel Kas

    Afterward reading this I was wondering where I heard penif’s name mentioned before. And it turns out he was the one who egged Progod into shitposting his way onto Canadian TV before the 9-4 fight which ended up folding when the servers shat themselves… with the world media watching.

    Granted Piggle is usually predisposed to stir the pot. And was looking for something to occupy his hands on that occasion given that he had no hand in the actual fighting. I do wonder at the wisdom of hanging out in a discord with people who tried to gank your alliance a few weeks prior. But let that one slide for now…

    So on at least this prior occasion penifSMASH pushed a out-of-game meta onto someone more space important, based on preconceptions which he had knowledge of, which ended up in a bit of a diplomatic incident and caused friction between blue alliances in game.

    More questions… hmm

    April 30, 2019 at 3:01 PM
  • Dread Operative

    Wew, so much Fake News in this article. Also he did reply to your email, you just didn’t like the reply he sent you. I know cause we laughed and laughed about it.

    April 30, 2019 at 3:41 PM
    • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

      As already mentioned I do not speak “meme”. Again if you want to translate go for it as I am sure many would like to hear what penifSMASH has to say about this.

      Meanwhile the rest of the world knows that he acted in bad faith that caused real life harm to people. One of which he calls a friend. Weird that.

      But hey if you want to white knight penifSMASH as he is afraid to stand up for his own actions then you go for it.

      April 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM
      • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

        “Blah blah blah I have no proof, but I have disliked Penif and Israd for a very long time but don’t mind my bias. ” Moomin – 2019
        TIL rest of world means Goons.

        April 30, 2019 at 4:05 PM
        • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

          You say that but you know as well as I do that penifSMASH sent stuff to killah in bad faith.

          If you want to support that type of action then that is your choice.

          Meanwhile you have not offered one single piece of evidence to prove that I am wrong. CCP thought the same as they have undone the bans.

          So if you have something then I suggest you let us all know. But I would guess you do not. Otherwise your reply would be a bit more than “grr gon hat gon”.

          April 30, 2019 at 4:09 PM
          • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

            You and yours are the ACCUSER, it is YOUR responsibility to provide evidence. Which you DID NOT. You made accusations and Mittens even said “I don’t need evidence.” on the Twitch stream. So get the fuck out of here with “Meanwhile you have not offered one single piece of evidence to prove that I am wrong” cause you offered NO PROOF in your accusation. Literally ZERO. Also I love Dark Shines and defended him since day one, and I don’t have a problem with goons so you slander on me being a goon hater sorely misses the mark. My issue is with accusations without evidence, you know the thing that CCP did that led up to this whole issue. Hypocrite much? And that is why Hy and SNUFF is standing by penif, cause you guys dont have shit.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:15 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            If penifSMASH had kept his mouth shut you would have more of a chance of pushing your narrative.

            Hy Wanto confirmed on the Meta Show that penifSMASH aplogised to Dark Shines. Your own leader confirmed that penifSMASH made the false allegation to CCP via Killah Bee. As you like caps, YOUR OWN LEADER!

            April 30, 2019 at 4:18 PM
          • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

            Nice try. It’s amazing what REAL evidence looks like, amiright?

            April 30, 2019 at 4:19 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            Another witty come back, oh well done you!

            YOUR OWN LEADER! 😉

            April 30, 2019 at 4:21 PM
          • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

            Way to ignore real evidence. I know it’s not something you are used to seeing. SAD!

            April 30, 2019 at 4:22 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            Evidence like the evidence that was used by CCP when they did a real investigation? The evidence which got the bans overturned?

            The best bit is that the truth comes out in time. At some point everything will come out and I bet that it is going to be fantastic.

            But meanwhile you keep going with your “sad” and “fake news” narrative. Seems kind of familiar. I wonder where you got it from.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:25 PM
          • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

            I mean, out of everyone here; me, you, and CCP I’m the only one that has supplied any real evidence. You said Hy admitted it, I provided real evidence refuting your claim. The simple fact remains, you have provided zero evidence to back up anything in this article. That’s a fact that you can’t dispute. You can try to discredit me or run around it but it wont change that. If you give me anything at all, one shred of real evidence I’ll support kicking Israd from BBC right now as Lowlife CEO. Here is your chance. Make me eat crow.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:33 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            Your support means nothing to me tbh. You can think what you like. If you want to think that penifSMASH is a stand up guy who would never do such a thing then that is your choice. But given the history of peniSMASH it would seem that he is not against doing the odd bit meta-gaming, scamming, spying or AWOXing.

            More of the truth will come out in time and then you can enjoy your crow.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:39 PM
          • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

            So I gave you the chance to really prove it and you didn’t, that in itself speaks volumes. Thank you for your time.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:40 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            You are more than welcome. It is always a pleasure to have an informed and mature discussion on the internet. 🙂

            April 30, 2019 at 4:42 PM
          • disqus_42LVG0en5J Moomin Amatin

            you’ve been proven wrong and now your argument is “more will come out in time”.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:41 PM
          • Moomin Amatin disqus_42LVG0en5J

            The only people here saying I am wrong are those from SNUFF it seems. Yet your leader gave away quite a lot of information on the Meta Show. Killah was there as well. Hy Wanto probably thought he would have a chance to shit talk Killah Bee and then it all went somewhat awry.

            It is nice to see that you and your other SNUFF buddy are not resorting to quite the level of those who got their comment deleted. You know the one with the hope of me having real life harm. I am sure that all gave you a giggle in your “safe space”.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:44 PM
          • disqus_42LVG0en5J Moomin Amatin

            Who said I was in Snuff? No one.

            Again, with the wrong facts.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:48 PM
          • Moomin Amatin disqus_42LVG0en5J

            Some facts for you.

            This is all over the sale of a Molok. (Source: the World and his dog.)
            Dark Shines sells it to a fellow corp member. (Source: Dark Shines)
            This corp member then leaves the Initiative alliance and goes to SNUFF. (Source: Hy Wanto)
            The new SNUFF member then has a transaction with penifSMASH. (Source: Hy Wanto)
            penifSMASH then sells the Molok to a member of SNUFF. (Sourve: Hy Wanto)
            penifSMASH then has at least a conversation with Killah Bee about said Molok. (Source: Killah Bee and others)
            Killah Bee then reports this to an unknown CCP employee. (Source: Killah Bee)
            Mystery CCP employee then bans 3 players from Initiative. (Source: CCP)
            penifSMASH apologises to Dark Shines. (Source: Hy Wanto).

            Is there any part of that you wish to dispute?

            May 1, 2019 at 5:39 AM
          • Barter Kaundur Moomin Amatin

            This is a nice tldr. Not sure how it proves anything however…
            And no, i’m not a member of any involved alliance here.

            May 1, 2019 at 7:04 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Barter Kaundur

            What it shows is a chain of events that led to the unfair banning of 3 players by CCP. There are a lot more questions here but for some reason people who are in the know and not under an NDA are keeping a lot quieter than they were before the ban got reversed.

            The best bit about this is I only wrote this piece mainly to help Brisc in correcting people who were given the false story. You know the ones who keep going “well they must have done something wrong else CCP would not have banned them”.

            May 1, 2019 at 10:26 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            Yes I often apologise for things that I did not do.

            If penifSMASH had kept his mouth shut in certain Discord channels then you may have a leg to stand on. Meanwhile Hy Wanto seems to be saying just about anything to get himself out of the responsibility of the actions of one of his members. True leadership in action.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:35 PM
          • Dread Operative Moomin Amatin

            So no evidence? Got it. Thank you for your time.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:36 PM
          • Moomin Amatin Dread Operative

            Initial evidence on the Meta Show. You should watch it as it is a good show.

            I am sure that more evidence will come out in time.

            And I thank you for your time as well. Most informed and well researched.

            April 30, 2019 at 4:52 PM
  • Moomin Amatin

    If you are the real Dark Shines then please get in touch with me in game or via GSF forums. I only wrote this piece based on what is known in the public domain. More than happy to correct myself if I can be shown to be wrong.

    I should note again that I gave both penifSMASH and Hy Wanto a chance to comment before the release of this piece but got nothing back aside from a picture of Mittens from penifSMASH.

    May 1, 2019 at 5:23 AM
  • Bill Bones

    Frankly, if I was CCP (which probably for good I am not) I would go quiet and brutal. Anyone who abused my trust to frame other epople, and anyone aware of it which didn’t forewarn me, would be deleted from the database. Not just banned, but outright deleted. No explanations. No notices. They and their assets would just cease to exist in New Eden. I would also ask the security team to prevent those real people from ever again accessing the servers.

    Fool me once and you’re gone, punk.

    May 1, 2019 at 8:49 AM
  • Moomin Amatin

    If you listen to the numerous shows about this debacle it will become very clear.

    But if you do not wish to then just remember the phrase “loose lips sink ships”.

    May 1, 2019 at 10:14 PM
  • Moomin Amatin

    It has always been very interesting to see those types pass through goons and end up in places like PL. Although it makes me sad that I will never be elite enough to kill people who are afk or too dumb to not be in a standing fleet. Oh well ;-).

    May 9, 2019 at 7:33 PM