Federation of RHP Alliance – Update on Rhea ALOD & Eviction

Rhivre 2018-03-12

Last weekend, we brought you the story of an alliance who lost a 220-billion-ISK Rhea while being evicted from Querious over a few days. The alliance in question, Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance, got in touch with me during the week to tell their side of the story.

In their TeamSpeak server, I was joined by NeoSerenity, the alliance executor, and Aewyn Gwothorynn, their diplo and translator from English to German, as well as other members of their alliance leadership.

Neutral Entities in New Eden

The leaders I met with explained to me that they were, as far as they were concerned, an independent alliance. They had joined Querious Fight Club because they were looking for a playground, which would allow them to improve their PvP skills and own some structures. From their perspective, QFC had been aware of their situation in regards to also being members of Guardians of the Galaxy, and did not have an issue with it. As they see it, the problem arose when a leadership change in QFC led to a new, more hardline stance, and they were evicted at very short notice.

They evacuated the majority of their assets (although reports say that they still have a number of capitals and as well as a structure or two in Querious), and are in the process of setting up a home near TEST, who they have had an agreement with for four months. NeoSerenity told me that it had been a stressful period, having 24 hours to move their things out of what was now hostile territory, but he was pleased with the way that his members had responded.

The alliance does not see why them being members of Guardians of the Galaxy, and of Querious Fight Club should have been an issue. As they see it, they are not involved in politics and aim to be members of many groups, and to utilise space for their members. They see themselves as Switzerland, neutral to everyone, but building relationships across the board.

This seems to me to be an optimistic, but naive view of Eve politics. GOTG and the Imperium are not on speaking terms; affiliation with one group will make you hostile to the other. Whether or not there is an intent to be politically involved, and leaving aside any concerns about information being shared, the situation can arise where GOTG may do an excursion into QFC territory. At that point, both coalitions would be wondering which side RHP would shoot at.

It is possible to be friendly (or at least not hostile) to multiple groups without actually being a member of any of them, and smaller groups often take this position. It is not, however, possible to hold active membership of two entities who are hostile to each other. It would be questionable whether you can be a member of two entities who are neutral to each other. That there is a corporation in Darkness who have the same name only adds to the suspicion.

Having spoken to them, I do not think there was any nefarious purpose to them joining QFC—I think they are just not used to Eve politics(yet).

About that Rhea

The other event of the weekend was that one of their pilots, Eisbaer Knut, lost a Rhea containing over 200b ISK of goods to SNUFF during a citadel tethering malfunction in Walvalin. While SNUFF are part of the Imperium, this event was unrelated to RHP Alliance’s evacuation from Querious. Eisbaer was not living down there, and the location is closer to GOTG space than to Querious, so he was likely moving around between Jita and his home. Although Eisbaer was in the TeamSpeak room with me, he did not speak. When I asked why he was moving that amount of goods, and where he was going with it, I was told by a member of leadership that they had not asked, and did not care to know what he was doing.

One of the reasons I was curious to find out more about the Rhea is that this alliance mail had popped up during the week:

I asked about this, and I was told that the action was taken to make an example of the pilot, and to make sure members understood that you should not do things like this. The cargo was the pilot’s own private goods, so was not an alliance courier or alliance assets. They felt this was necessary as it is irresponsible to carry that value of cargo, and so members should be aware of the consequences of doing so. There is now a 20b ISK maximum limit for jump freighters, intended to protect members from this happening again. The pilot was lucky that his entire corporation was not kicked from the alliance as a result of his loss.

There may be people who feel this is an extreme reaction to what is, effectively, a player losing his own assets. It may also be that losing over 200b ISK of your assets is punishment enough, but, the alliance wants to make sure its pilots do not make these sort of errors in the future. This is further complicated by rumours that Eisbaer is an alt of the corporation’s CEO. I asked RHP about this, but they did not respond.

As for the future of the alliance, they are making a home for themselves near TEST. They are also continuing to build their relationships with both GOTG and TEST, and hope to forge new relationships with other entities over time. We will keep an eye on their development, and let you know how things turn out for them.

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  • Rammel Kas

    Number of things in what they said to you make me kind of glad that this group are nowhere near us anymore.

    March 12, 2018 at 9:27 am
  • Rainer Enge

    Quote “Having spoken to them, I do not think there was any nefarious purpose to
    them joining QFC—I think they are just not used to Eve politics(yet).”

    Who decides what is right in EvE and what is wrong? you probably do not. Who drives for 8 years is still not the perfect driver

    March 12, 2018 at 12:05 pm
    • Rammel Kas Rainer Enge

      You seem to be a case in point.

      March 12, 2018 at 1:21 pm
      • Alaric Faelen Rammel Kas

        I remember when Executive Outcomes in Cloud Ring claimed membership in both the CFC and HBC, acting as a sort of buffer in between. That lasted exactly until TEST had their fail-cascade that led to the Fountain War and demanded EXE choose a side. That ultimatum didn’t go the way TEST hoped.
        In the current political climate in New Eden, I can’t imagine either side trusting an alliance with dual citizenship among unfriendly coalitions.

        March 12, 2018 at 4:56 pm
    • Rhivre Rainer Enge

      Whilst I would truly love to see Goonwaffe in Pandemic Legion and Goonswarm Federation at the same time, and Sniggerdly being in PL and Goons simultaneously, I am also aware that it is not very likely to happen any time soon.

      You are correct that there is no right way to play eve, however, in TYOOL 2018, it is not frequently seen that alliances hold multiple coalition memberships. Perhaps one day we can all hold hands in a big blue circle.

      March 12, 2018 at 4:09 pm
      • Rainer Enge Rhivre

        The thing is that you, Rhivre, should not play you as a big connoisseur of the scene. Everything is possible, nothing has to be in EvE. And your great wisdom about how EVE is going, you can keep with you or you can learn, in EvE everything is possible.

        March 13, 2018 at 1:15 am
    • Rammel Kas Rainer Enge


      A little historical footnote as to the kind of shenanigans a corporation with dubious connections can cause in your back line. Only a few minutes long. Pretty much why nullsec is the adult game for adults with a responsible adult approach to adult matters.

      March 12, 2018 at 5:31 pm
      • phuzz Rammel Kas

        Yes, ‘adult’, that’s the word that always comes to mind when I think of nullsec politics.

        March 14, 2018 at 12:44 pm
    • Deni'z von Meanace Rainer Enge

      You have just decided that Rivhre is wrong, how dare you to decide while there are No one who could…

      March 13, 2018 at 1:38 am
    • Caleb Ayrania Rainer Enge

      Being a Dane, I can historically tell you its not as good an idea to try and play 2 horses in geopolitics. I believe in the London there is an actual statue commemorating that fact. “Battle of Copenhagen”.

      You need something more like the Swiz or the Swedish model I believe.

      March 13, 2018 at 4:27 am
    • DevilDude Rainer Enge

      Who decides? All of us, and none of us. Eve’s politics are what they are due to how eve works and the people who play it. No one decides how things are going to be, they just are the way they are. Try do do things differently and maybe you’ll hit on something, people aren’t going to stomp on you because you’re new and different, they’ll stomp on you because you were there, if your new and different ideas were good ones you might even succeed, if you’ve got the skill to execute on them that is.

      March 13, 2018 at 11:23 pm
  • Rhivre

    Its when you think you can tether somewhere, but, something happens, and you suddenly can’t

    March 12, 2018 at 4:28 pm
  • Rammel Kas

    Like not probably scouting ahead with another alt or the pilot itself using a sensible ship… failing to notice the new UI which actually puts a little icon bottom left which tells you if you are allowed near that citadel or not.

    There is also a bit of a delay when you cyno into a tether where you have to give your ship a command small move command before it refreshes. An intrepid tackle could catch you there. And now of course that delay is longer.

    March 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm
  • Paul Luap

    The leadership should not have said anything. Their statement is really embarrassing for me, a member of RHP.

    March 13, 2018 at 6:36 am
  • Mintaki

    …sounds to me like they’re not being entirely honest, either. It may be that it’s primarily a case of ignorance at the leadership level, but a few other things simply don’t add up with these guys. I call shenanigans!

    March 14, 2018 at 5:00 pm