Eve Pure

2021-11-17

Header art by Major Sniper

I’m a voracious consumer of EVE-related Twitch content, channels like New Eden Post, Imperium News Network, Eve Universe, and many others.  Some are very informative; some are entertaining smack down contests.  However, more and more on Twitch I see a trend of nostalgic disenchantment with the current state of the game. compared to the way it was in the past.  

Those were the days my friend . . .

On one of the most recent episodes of New Eden Posts Slanderous Saturday, Luke Toir and Kevin Eagleeye discussed CCPs recent significant changes to ganking and Concord mechanics.  Also very recently we are seeing the beginnings of a new round of protests in Jita exceeding 5000 player.  

These issues have been hot-button topics this week, generating huge controversy among the CSM and the player community.  Brisc Rubal has been very outspoken in regard to CCP’s conduct in declaring what is – and what is not – an exploit within the mechanics of EVE Online. CCP has banned players for violating these mechanics. Brisc himself was falsely banned during CSM 13, when CCP accused him of sharing confidential information, for which he was fully exonerated of wrongdoing.  So, these latest bans can raise temperatures and blood pressures.

The Sound and the Fury

The last dev blog, outlining the new Quadrant, along with the latest news out of Pearl Abyss regarding future goals for EVE’s development, have further irritated the player community. The reaction reached epic proportions: the latest round of Jita protests have broken EVE’s previous Guinness World Record for concurrent players in one system.  Despite the “End of Scarcity” adjustment to the game mechanics, we still see significantly nerfed endgame mining ships and ore yields are still cut in half.  This would seem to fit into CCP’s apparent long term goals of reducing player income, cutting into alliance resource stockpiles, and making it significantly more expensive and time consuming to produce – and get into – capital ships.  

Like your favorite brand of soap!

What do long standing members of the community want?  It almost seems like they desire a return to “EVE Pure.”  If another company released a space sandbox MMO, with skill point training at a set rate which cannot be purchased or boosted, a balanced roster of factions and ship types, a PvP focus with no capital ships and no cash shop, how many EVE players would jump ship?  

Ultimately, instead of pulling all this math crap that players and devs are arguing over on the EVE forums right now, why doesn’t CCP/Pearl Abyss just roll out their new agenda?  Remove all capital and industrial ships from the game.  Double the ISK price of everything on the market.  Slow down production and mining by 50%.  Slow down skill training by 75%.  Sell PLEX and boosters in the New Eden store at double the current price.  Start openly selling advanced hulls for Bitcoin.  Sell NTFs for $900 a pop.  There: I just saved us 6-8 years of dev bullshit.  

Once again, this controversy is a battle for the soul of EVE Online.  The players protesting in Jita, and prominent members of the community, need to continue to stand up for what they believe in, or this will be the last input on the situation they will have for a long time.  

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Comments

  • Winston Archer

    I think CCP should continue their focus on making this game last a life time and continue to disregard the current whiny player base. Players come and go – hell the 25 players i started playing Eve with back in 2008 aren’t even around anymore, they’ve grown up, had families and moved on – so CCP just needs to focus on the long term not the short. Great job CCP!!!

    November 17, 2021 at 1:13 PM
    • Guilford Australis Winston Archer

      I can appreciate a good troll, and I myself even indulge in a bit of trolling on occasion. You are not a good troll.

      Logins are at half the 2012 level. Sunday logins broke 30k only once in the last month. The last time Sunday logins failed to regularly break 30k was *2008*. If your theory is that CCP is focusing on “making this game last a life time” is correct, then they are objectively failing – miserably and at an accelerating rate.

      See for yourself: https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

      November 17, 2021 at 1:58 PM
      • Winston Archer Guilford Australis

        Obviously Pearl Abys sees things differently and that’s really all that counts. I think Eve is in a great place right now. If I had a dollar for ever time I’ve heard “look at the login levels – Eve is dying” I’d be a rich man. CCP, steady as she goes!

        November 17, 2021 at 5:20 PM
        • Garreth Vlox Winston Archer

          “Obviously Pearl Abys sees things differently and that’s really all that counts”

          They haven’t felt the financial impact of CCP’s lastest fuck up and probably won’t until the end of this quarter when CCP has to hand pearl abyss their report card for this semester. We PA see player counts falling off a cliff and income nose diving that’s when whatever they will do will happen, not before.

          EDIT** “CCP, steady as she goes!”
          Oh I get it now, you’re Rattati’s sockpuppet account

          November 17, 2021 at 8:01 PM
          • Greed is good.

            November 18, 2021 at 9:49 PM
        • Whats your source for pearl abyss thinking differently? They do have some thoughts on the future of Eve, I will give you that.

          What was your take on their earnings call?

          November 18, 2021 at 12:04 PM
        • u r a dummy 😛

          November 19, 2021 at 6:42 AM
    • Long term requires people play the game. FYI

      November 17, 2021 at 2:15 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Winston Archer

      ” Players come and go”

      LOL, CCP’s own admissions on player counts are that new players don’t stay long term and fewer and fewer old players are sticking around. Why do you think they keep re-doing the New Player Experience every six months? It’s not for the fucking fun of it, it’s because most new players to the game don’t even play long enough to FINISH IT… driving the old players out with idiotic game changes isn’t going to save anything, it’s just going to tank the game faster than the Poverty Era update already was.

      November 17, 2021 at 7:59 PM
      • kwnyupstate . Garreth Vlox

        New players will stay even less when mining, which is a key thing new people often get into, becomes significantly worse. Even mining itself is a long and often boring process and now it will be even more so. Say goodbye to trying to build capitals or even fairly easily replenishing them.

        November 18, 2021 at 12:05 AM
        • Garreth Vlox kwnyupstate .

          When I started eve I funded my early years with mining, if what they have done to mining now had been done when I joined I wouldn’t have lasted a week.

          November 18, 2021 at 8:32 AM
  • Guilford Australis

    CCP painted themselves into a corner by designing EVE in such a way that (1) it can’t be modernized without sacrificing the things that made it unique, and (2) incremental changes over the years went too far, which upset the old-timers, and when CCP tried to roll them back, the newer players got upset because it put them at a great disadvantage.

    Either CCP drags EVE back to 2012 mechanics and loses all the players who don’t want antiquated 2012 MMO mechanics in 2021, or CCP modernizes the game and loses all the grizzled bittervets. CCP is trying to have it both ways.

    November 17, 2021 at 2:43 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Guilford Australis

      There’s a happy medium where they just follow in the footsteps of other games that started in the early 2000’s and are still functional today, you accept the power creep and money creep of older players and instead of putting the game into a forced ressession you INCREASE access to money, minerals, and PI so that the new guys have a chance of getting themselves in ships they can use to compete with the old guard sometime this decade. They need to follow the wow model and stop nerfing people out of end game ships and make NEW endgame ships for the older players to acquire, make those ships the time intensive, material hogs, this way the players WANT to acheive you goals of burning isk and stockpiled materials. They need to stop trying to create a material bottleneck in hopes of igniting a war and just hand everyone piles of mats to make guns, we the players will take care of picking fights and starting wars, we always have.

      November 17, 2021 at 7:57 PM
      • Guilford Australis Garreth Vlox

        The only other MMO I play with any seriousness is FFXIV, and this is exactly what Square Enix does. They don’t care how much currency and how many endgame-level resources players farm. And you know what? Other players don’t care either. No one gives half a fart. Square even does certain forms of RMT and no one cares about that.

        Oh, and the game is actually fun.

        November 18, 2021 at 12:50 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Guilford Australis

          I fucking love FF XIV, I’ve played it almost as long as I have EVE, the difference is I never unsub from FF XIV because the devs did something fucking stupid and ruined the game for no reason…

          November 18, 2021 at 8:30 AM
  • kwnyupstate .

    CCP has goals and tries different things to find the ones which advance towards those goals without significantly reducing profit levels. It is a slow gaslighting of the playerbase.

    November 17, 2021 at 5:42 PM
  • My accounts lapsed a while back and I’ve just left them unsubbed. War over, real life back on like Donkey-Kong– ain’t got no time for peacetime EVE.

    November 19, 2021 at 6:45 AM