CO2 Alliance Meeting Overview

Rhivre 2017-09-12

CO2 has just held an alliance meeting, led by Gigx, in which they discussed the situation after TheJudge transferred the CO2 Keepstar to Goonswarm, and other citadels to TEST.

Gigx opened by confirming that the Keepstar and a number of other citadels had been transferred, as well as the Balkan Mafia corporation wallet and assets, including the Alliance SRP funds.

Gigx said he tried to convo TheJudge, but he was blocked, and that he said some things that he regrets, as he was so angry by losing everything he had built for 14 years.

He says TheJudge played the game the way he wanted, and he won. He is angry about TheJudge streaming the alliance chat, showing people being worried and scared by what was happening.

All the things that were lost can be replaced, but it is really hard to have a member in leadership who does this. CO2 will continue playing; the same thing happened to BoB. CO2 Is not the first to go through this, and the game is not over.

Gigx confirms he is permanently banned and also has an IP ban, (the ban mail has since appeared on reddit) and he is sending petitions. He says that he will need help from members that still support the alliance, as bans have been lifted after a lot of petitions were received.

He says he made a mistake in trusting the wrong guy, and alliance members have got hurt. He wants the alliance to continue and hopes that CCP reverses or reduce his ban. The alliance is finished without him, so hopefully, he gets unbanned.

Moving on, Impass is over, all assets are stuck. All they can do is asset safety in 20 days to lowsec stations with a 15% fee. Bluehogs can help members move from CO2 held citadels. Implants that were in the citadels where access has been revoked are lost, but, everything can be replaced.

He is asked if he will make a new char if his ban is not revoked. This isn’t possible because of the IP ban, and while he can still be in comms, this is not leading an alliance.

Alliance leaders ask for petitions to start from members to get the ban revoked, to have “Mass fucking spam to get Gigx unbanned.” Gigx says not to just mass spam, or they will reject them.

Gigx says Triumvirate will help with some things, but he thinks CO2 will move to lowsec, or to non-sov nullsec. He will work with CEOs to make sure things continue for the next 20 days (while waiting for assets safety).

Alliance leaders say that there are a lot of questions about contingency plans and that these are valid questions, but they do not have any answers yet. Their focus now is on getting Gigx unbanned.

The alliance will be in limbo over the next 3 days, with people are nervous about the predicament. Members should try not to freak out, and leaders are trying to sort things out. Members should make sure they don’t get scammed from people offering to help.

CO2 citadels remain open to members, but the Impass Keepstar is bubbled and not safe for members to undock from. This can be seen from the screenshot below, from our earlier article.

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There will be a template for members to base their petitions on. Members are encouraged to stress in the petitions that the ban on Gigx is affecting a lot of players. They should also say that he acted in the heat of the moment, and many people would respond like that. They are told to not put in more than one petition per account. Alliance leadership say PL and NC. are behind Gigx and support his position too.

Members are recommended to delete APIs by Alliance leaders, but Gigx says there are more important things to do than remaking APIs so that members don’t lose access to services. They will also be making a new discord, as TheJudge was an administrator of their discord, and they cannot remove his roles.

Alliance leaders emphasise that TheJudge hurt members the most and that Gigx has done a heroic job turning up and still being around.

The meeting closes with more calls for everyone to open petitions, and a restating of Gigx acting in the heat of the moment, and mostly being a nice guy.

Gigx has some final words about corporations who want to leave, that they should just inform him that they are leaving, and they have plenty of time to move their things. The door is open for them if they want to return, so just don’t scam on the way out. CO2 will rebuild and be back stronger, so don’t burn bridges.

After the meeting, KillahBee joins the channel and is introduced as “The guy who kicked us from Tribute”.

The soundcloud can be found here, and at the top of the article.

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Comments

  • TigerXtrm

    “The alliance is finished because of him”

    Fixed.

    September 12, 2017 at 10:30 pm
    • Nikolai Iversen TigerXtrm

      shut up softy. judge deserve to get some amputations

      September 12, 2017 at 10:33 pm
  • “…everything can be replaced.”

    And if GigX gets himself unbanned, he’ll be angry enough to do just that.

    September 12, 2017 at 10:53 pm
  • Have everyone petition CCP to unban gigX, because the customer support isn’t already shot to hell, and this will certainly get CCP to reverse their decision.

    September 13, 2017 at 1:40 am
    • Why not? It is a stupid overreaction by CCP and should be changed. I miss the old CCP that didn’t do this whole politically correct play. We all say all kinds of shit in the heat of the moment that we regret after the fact. Mistakes happen and they should not have permanent.

      September 13, 2017 at 6:58 pm
      • Arrendis Axhind

        I think—and obviously, I have no special insight here—that if a)this had been gigX’s first ban (Keef Drow, I think, confirmed in the USTZ meeting that it is not), and he’d otherwise followed the TOS instead of compounding the bannable offense by publicly sharing the full GM communication (via screenshot), and generally taken the ‘I’m sorry, I fucked up, it was inexcusable, I accept whatever punishment happens’, CCP would be far more likely to reduce the ban, as they’ve done in the past.

        OTOH, when previous bans have been met by what looks to be a pro forma apology that’s then undercut (and shown to be pro forma) by saying ‘everybody try to get me unbanned’, CCP’s stood firm. When you combine that with a lot of appeals to ‘oh, but you were nice to X’ that misrepresent the earlier incident of clemency…

        … yeah, that doesn’t help.

        September 13, 2017 at 7:39 pm
        • Axhind Arrendis

          I still fail to see how it is up to them to police things like that. They should stay out of it as they used to during to good old days. There are RL organisations that take care of shit like this.

          Edit: Listening to Talking in Stations, judge didn’t sound overly concerned for his life and was even making fun of gigx. He obviously didn’t take it seriously so why should CCP?

          September 14, 2017 at 11:53 am
          • Arrendis Axhind

            Because they were made through the in-game chat system. If CCP doesn’t take action, and then something happens, they’re legally an accessory in some places.

            September 14, 2017 at 2:47 pm
  • der_Yoda

    Now little Mittens is sitting in his home and very happy that the bad bad traitors get betrayed? Plz grow up…

    September 13, 2017 at 5:30 am
  • A simple Merc

    This entire drama was quite simply beautiful . Once again EVE has orchestrated a masterpiece worthy of an Oscar. Seriously this should be nominated for something. The aftermath was just theatre

    That said even though I was fighting CO2 (still am) I think GIGx should have a temp ban and have to make a public apology or something . He woke up in the middle of the night to this cluster**k of epic proportions and was overwhelmed and really lost his cool . Now he has calmed down I am sure he knows how stupid it was to say and ask those things.
    I request all allies and enemy’s co2 to help in the petition to un perma ban gigx , we cant let this content generator cow be slaughtered (yet)

    September 13, 2017 at 10:09 am
  • Barkaway

    Erhm why is GigX banned, did i miss anything?

    September 13, 2017 at 1:01 pm
  • (Driftwood)

    @Rhivre If you are going to use a picture of the keepstar plz do not cut the whole picture off and show the full context of a giant penis made of bubbles below it.

    September 13, 2017 at 1:39 pm
    • Rhivre (Driftwood)

      The image was not clipped, it was the one from the earlier article we did.

      September 13, 2017 at 3:02 pm
    • Arrendis (Driftwood)

      That image is from earlier, we didn’t clip it. But here: 😀

      https://i.imgur.com/jk5OKWO.png

      September 13, 2017 at 7:31 pm
  • ArtyD

    Something something cutting off hands remark…

    September 13, 2017 at 3:19 pm
  • Venerable

    He asked in alliance chat for the RL contact information for TheJudge and in a moment of frustration said he’d cut off his hands. Gigx probably didn’t know that alliance chat was being broadcast via twitch so the incident was clearly seen by at least 700 people, one of whom I understand works for CCP. The ban hammer hit swiftly. I listened to a sound cloud of the SOTA and I know that opinions vary across all of Eve depending on your prospective. I think there needs to be a degree of respect to the line members who have played the game and are now caught in the veritable shit storm of epic proportions. Goons are going to have their fun and will extract their vengeance, but in the end, their beef is with the leadership and not with line members. Its clear that the war over Impass is over, its down to grinding out sov and structures. CO2 is now on life support while the asset safety features as implemented. Who knows whether they will survive. I suspect it comes down to their remaining leadership and whether they can hold the alliance together.

    On a side note, while there will be people who are loyal to Gigx, I’d be surprised if CCP lifts the ban anytime soon. As a company they have to take real life threats seriously as they are against the terms of service. While many of the line members believe that this threat should be treated like Mittans now infamous go kill yourself comments during Fan Fest, and there are some corollaries between the incident, I think CCP will not be in hurry to forgive and forget incidents that spill from the game to real life.

    September 13, 2017 at 5:35 pm
    • Axhind Venerable

      Kinda like they took casinos seriously? How many times did people have to tell them that it is actually against the law in several places before they did something about it?

      Threats are serious but reaction should not ignore the circumstances. Everyone would be pissed if they lost everything in the middle of the night and are barely awake.

      In the end its not like CCP ban will prevent anything in RL, it’s just a politically correct grandstanding. Real threats are dealt by real police. If judge is so scared of gigx he can report him to Australian police and we can see what they will think about it.

      September 13, 2017 at 7:11 pm
      • Venerable Axhind

        To put the veritable nail in the veritable coffin, CO2 is disbanding and Gigx will seek life elsewhere on his own terms. I’ll give Gigx his due. He made the best choice for the people in his alliance. They won’t have to wait to see if Gigx can get unbanned and are free to join other alliances and possibly extract their assets out of the 68 Keepstar.

        September 14, 2017 at 5:14 pm
    • Arrendis Venerable

      He also then posted the GM communication he received to his alliance forums, apparently. This, too, is a TOS violation.

      September 13, 2017 at 7:33 pm
  • Pandemic Commanche

    It’s not an OK-Behaviour but there are laws where you can take notes from maybe. In my country you can get up to 1 year for threats – not a lifetime. Maybe you can consider your decision on ACTUAL laws.

    September 13, 2017 at 6:08 pm
    • Or you could base them on the TOS. This is not gigX’s first ban.

      September 13, 2017 at 7:29 pm
  • Axhind

    Let’s see how you would react if someone took away something you worked for for 14 years. Yes he went over the line but it is understandable and a temp ban is more than enough punishment.

    September 13, 2017 at 6:52 pm
  • HellNo KeepGigXBanned

    Oh spare me the freakin’ false equivalency.

    Taunting and deriding somebody with a mental health problem is very
    different to seeking the real-life address of somebody and threatening their
    dismemberment. Sure, they’re both shitty things to do but they’re at quite
    different places on the grand scale of eve-shittiness.

    Permaban and IP-ban is entirely appropriate here.

    As for being sorry. Shitty people who do shitty things are often sorry
    about being caught out and facing the consequences, not so much sorry (or even understanding) about doing the things they did.

    Permaban and IP-ban is entirely appropriate here.

    September 14, 2017 at 2:47 am
  • KingofHeroes

    Five years ago The Mittani was the most important man in EVE and also someone with a lot of sway over CCP’s public image, while GigX today is an unpleasent nerd who a lot of people hate.

    September 14, 2017 at 5:23 pm
  • Pherocks

    If they unban Gigx they need to unban every player who was banned for the same issue.

    They will and can not reverse this ban, he could have said a fcload of shit in his anger, but asking for his adress to visit him and cut off his hands is totaly diffrent then for example “i will fuck his mother and make him regret he was ever born”

    Its the context of his threats and even tough emotions are high, you should never ever the shit he said.

    September 17, 2017 at 8:18 am
  • Obi SToN3D

    a death worthy of traitor scum.. C0WHO? #gigxisaturncoatrat

    September 18, 2017 at 7:32 am