CCP Takes Action on Ghost Training

Rhivre 2017-07-07

On June 15, CCP announced that Ghost Training was an exploit, and people have been looking to CCP to take action against those involved.

Over the last 10 days, CCP has been sending emails out to Ghost Farmers. Whether the individuals did it knowingly or unknowingly, CCP has been taking action.
The action taken is not the usual negative wallet that we associate with CCP acting on ISK gained through exploits (although there was one player who claimed CCP had taken ISK). The players involved have been given a list of the characters they used, and how much ghost training they did.

A value has been given to them based on Total Ghost Trained SP/500k*(injector price-extractor price)  They have been asked to provide either the total amount of SP calculated via extractors which CCP will provide, or provide assets or ISK equivalent to the value calculated.

SP is the preferred option, but, if players have already extracted and sold the SP, (or they do not want to do the click-fest of extraction) they have the other options available to them.  There has been no mention of Concord ships in the mails that we have heard about.

The reason given for those who did it unknowingly being punished is that the amount of SP is so large that it would impact the economy to leave it in there.  The amounts we have heard about range from 50b-800b, so it is not small amounts being removed.

The option to hand over assets or ISK is an interesting one, as this has the potential to impact on other markets. We know of some individuals handing over raw materials, modules and other assorted items.  The industrial related items will now need to be repurchased from the market, which will increase the demand for materials.

The way CCP are doing this avoids the issue of accounts not having ISK, or not having sufficient ISK, and allows them to remove the full value from the game in a more meaningful way. Negative walleting an account you do not use would not really matter, and if you owe 100b, and only have 20b in your wallet, them removing 100b does not remove that value from the game, it just removes the 20b. This way they remove the full equivalent value from the game.

The asset value they are using is not the in-game value.  Values we have seen show CCP undervaluing by 75%, but they don’t count fittings in ships and use the estimated price, which can lead to ship hulls being massively undervalued.

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Comments

  • Justice! CCP plays hard when it comes to RMT, botting, and other advantage taking…. Something I’ve always admired about them.

    July 7, 2017 at 5:22 am
  • Dirk MacGirk

    Seems like a super convoluted solution. It does allow various options for how players can get themselves right with God, but it seems like an excessive amount of effort for CCP to work out. That whole asset thing seems like some kind of space pawn shop operation, or the sheriff coming and auctioning off your assets to cover past due taxes. lmao

    July 7, 2017 at 5:49 am
    • Mike Dawe Dirk MacGirk

      I agree but the choice is a nice touch and less draconian in its own way

      July 7, 2017 at 5:54 am
  • Jan Koxsos Kopecky

    “News”

    July 7, 2017 at 8:22 am
    • Why is it not news?

      July 7, 2017 at 11:05 am
      • Moomin Amatin Rhivre

        I think that they said “news” because it was and that they wanted to highlight the wonderful service offered by INN. No other Eve site delivers as much!

        Great reporting as always and keep the good work up.

        July 7, 2017 at 12:45 pm
  • CK

    So the option of “Buy plex for cash to pay off CCP” is on the table for those who have the money to do so? I don’t see anyone wanting to pay $1300 for a 100bil fine, but it is a possible outcome as I understand.

    July 7, 2017 at 2:44 pm
    • Rhivre CK

      Theoretically, yes

      July 7, 2017 at 4:47 pm
    • Daito Endashi CK

      As I see it, confiscating 1300$ dollars might be far more effective as punishment than just 100bn ISK

      July 8, 2017 at 8:42 am
  • Lrrp

    You know if CCP would really take the time to think and set a new feature up right. there wouldn’t be ways to abuse the system.

    July 7, 2017 at 3:48 pm
    • Daito Endashi Lrrp

      We’re talking about Eve here.
      No matter what they do, players will always find a way around 😛

      In case of bugs though… you cannot reliably kill all the bugs all the time when releasing something new. It’s just not possible. Even with the most extensive testing, you might discover up tp 99% of bugs, but always has the chance to get through undiscovered

      July 8, 2017 at 8:41 am
  • Any fix for Ghost Training on the horizon? Dear CCP, fix your broken stuff. Thanks.

    July 7, 2017 at 5:45 pm
    • Rhivre Cavin DeJordy

      It has been fixed as of a few days ago as far as I know

      July 7, 2017 at 6:18 pm
      • Bryan Frye Rhivre

        true

        July 8, 2017 at 8:07 am