Battle Report: PAPI Takes M2- iHub

2021-02-01

Sunday night saw the PAPI coalition overwhelm the Imperium with vastly superior numbers and flip the M2-XFE iHub. In a pitched battle stretching over five systems and involving nearly 4,000 capsuleers, PAPI claimed the strategically vital objective. The loss prevents the construction of a cyno jammer and eases the task of releasing the remaining 130 titans trapped under the M2- Keepstar.

PAPI forces numbered around 2,400 to 1,600 from the Imperium. However, with the latter fixed on the hellcamp and refusing to give their enemy an opportunity to extract, this gave PAPI the freedom of manoeuvre to drop capital ships throughout the constellation, outgunning and outnumbering the defenders at every turn. The ISK war saw The Imperium lose 1,000 ships at 177bn to PAPI’s 475 ships at 93bn.

Rapid Escalation

The fight commenced in the adjacent system of 5-CQDA where Goonswarm Megathron, Bhaalgorn and Apocalypse fleets supported FAX entosis groups. Initial progress was quick but short lived with PAPI engaging rapidly with multiple HAC fleets. In a sign of what was to come, PAPI escalated quickly, dropping dreadnoughts and carriers in support. As the Imperium withdrew, severely overmatched, the “toasters” were destroyed and the flipping process began. 5-C would fall a few hours later with Goonswarm losing an Eagle fleet fighting carriers in a desperate attempt to stop PAPI’s progress.

In the first few hours of the battle, the Imperium managed to hold onto various nodes and at one point it looked as though they may be able to pull off a miraculous victory, yet this was not to be the case. PAPI formed hard and in huge numbers, with some pilots stating they were having trouble getting into the overflow HAC fleets. In a microcosm of the battle The Initiative’s (INIT) Eagle fleet warped in to contest a node and within moments of landing were met by three PAPI Muninn fleets. Although the defenders managed to escape largely unscathed, the speed and quantity of the PAPI response would prove to be too much to handle.

Reposte & Counter-Reposte

As it became clear that the Imperium would not be able to contest these nodes through conventional means an interesting game of cat and mouse emerged between fleet commanders. The defenders began by conducting strike ops onto entosis groups when they were undefended, killing the smaller ships and warping off before reinforcements arrived. This in turn led to PAPI setting bait traps, drawing in Imperium fleets, and then landing multiple fleets upon them. To counter, the Imperium tried to use this method to draw in the reinforcements and use bombing runs to reduce their numbers.

Despite all these varying tactics, none proved effective. Strike ops could not break the larger entosis vessels and withdrew. The bait traps were largely unable to catch an enemy fleet due to the vast numbers of eyes in system. And the bombing runs suffered heavy casualties as their surprise was nullified by heavy time dilation.

A Long Night

In many ways this battle highlighted the common themes in this war: iHubs and Heavy Assault Cruisers. The primary tactic of the PAPI coalition has been to flip systems and then to destroy structures, and although slow, it is a low-risk tactic that has proved successful. In contrast, the Imperium will look to defend those structures and offer the chance of larger, more decisive battles until the system becomes untenable and they fallback to another location.  

The future of the M2- Keepstar is still in the balance, but despite the efforts of the Imperium attempting to defend the iHub, it was conceded and they withdrew back to the hellcamp and 1DQ uninterested in losing further ships in what was a foregone conclusion. This PAPI victory now sees them able to plan the next evacuation from the M2- hellcamp without the time pressure that an onlining cyno jammer would have imposed. With all eyes fixed on this one system, the next move is now in PAPI’s hands.

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Comments

  • Rammel Kas

    Doesn’t really affect the keepstar itself. So I don’t know why you consider that an issue. The papi planners have been publically stating they won’t try another titan battle. Unless they can use heavy assets the keepstar remains a bugzapper to any fleets which stray too close. So far they have been constantly avoiding that, with the exception when they lost 411 dreadnaughts there.

    February 1, 2021 at 1:32 PM
    • kwnyupstate . Rammel Kas

      And since Keepstar battles are what they need to do to win they lost the war already. They can’t handle the huge losses they will get attacking more keepstars.

      February 1, 2021 at 5:34 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Rammel Kas

      Well then the war is over and they might as well pack and go home because goons aren’t evacing till papi shows they can kill all 5 1dq1 keepstars…

      February 2, 2021 at 1:07 AM
      • Rammel Kas Garreth Vlox

        Why do you think we’d “evacuate”, even if they do break into 1DQ? TEST is next. We would simply move nearby, into an unconquerable station and start farming the ever living SHIT out of whoever they try place in the space until that alliance dies, then reconquer. That is the “best case” for papi. A short term thing which turns to a long term failure. This has been clear since the start of the war. In the end none of these structures will matter. Since the PaPi initial goal was our extermination we will simply continue to log on and they will lose that fight.

        Now that we’ve had a few fights outside the preferred “raid boss mechanical” approach the safety krabs like Vily prefer to turn their EVE into… not too confident of their chances. The mechanic only works for distant citadels. M2- proved to be too close already to 1DQ. There aren’t really any other ones further away anymore. They’ve hit all the placebo and excuse targets. The ONE time they did try to big boy it turns out they lose half their titan force overnight and still have 113 of them trapped over a month later. You aren’t going to get to 1DQ without that force. And the longer they continue to be ignorant of the scarcity meta changes the less likely it becomes they could replace any of them. At this rate a simple dread will cost as much as a supercapital used to!

        February 2, 2021 at 7:05 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Rammel Kas

          “Why do you think we’d “evacuate”, even if they do break into 1DQ?”

          Honestly I don’t think we would. Sure the fleets would be moved somewhere near test so we could start the slaughter fest and the market guys would probably jump a lot of shit out so they don’t have to asset safety everything. But I don’t think this massive cross galaxy migration test seems to be telling all their guys they’re just a few more months away from triggering would actually happen.

          ” And the longer they continue to be ignorant of the scarcity meta changes the less likely it becomes they could replace any of them. At this rate a simple dread will cost as much as a supercapital used to!”

          Yeah I’m waiting for that realization to come crashing down on their line members heads, they don’t seem to realize what replacing 300 titans and 400 dreads is going to do to the price of future replacements.

          February 2, 2021 at 7:49 PM
  • Guilford Australis

    It seems unusual to me that a coalition with an insurmountable numerical advantage would go to such great lengths to avoid fighting with the titans it is trying to extract. PAPI has spent an entire *month* slinking around M2- sniping anchored bubbles and faffing about with the I-Hub. That doesn’t exactly broadcast strength from a coalition that outnumbers its opponents 3:1.

    When The Imperium goes to war, we crap on our enemies relentlessly even when it means sacrificing Moloks and Vanquishers. PAPI is a coalition of cowards and deserves to be treated with the contempt it has worked hard to earn.

    February 1, 2021 at 2:12 PM
    • You’re losing.

      FYI

      February 1, 2021 at 4:05 PM
      • Guilford Australis Noob

        Is that why I’m still in Delve?

        February 1, 2021 at 4:44 PM
      • Garreth Vlox Noob

        Yep, totally losing, that’s why the only serious attempt at a 1dq1 headshot ended with papi getting slapped back into t5zi with all their FC’s calling the attempt a mistake.

        That’s why you spent a month HIDING from a fight logged out.

        That’s why your reddit posters are now crowing about how they ONLY HAVE TO WAIT 35 MORE DAYS so they can cyno jam M2- for a second time to complete the break out.

        If you’re winning, then tell me this, WHY are you so fucking terrified of taking a titan fight without jammers? We did it all through the Tribute war without a problem and we didn’t have the 3:1 odds you now enjoy, so why is your clearly bigger and better war machine incapable of getting the same results?

        February 2, 2021 at 1:05 AM
        • kwnyupstate . Garreth Vlox

          Wait they are going to wait ANOTHER 35 days before trying a breakout on a keepstar where we beat them in the first place when they already had a jammer, just to REDUCE their massive losses? GEEZ.

          February 2, 2021 at 5:18 AM
          • Garreth Vlox kwnyupstate .

            papi is very loudly declaring everywhere they can, (m2- local, t5zi local, any eve related twitch stream chat and reddit) that now they have successfully taken the ihub they are just 35 short days away from breaking out with much lower losses… you just can’t make this shit up because it’s dumber than anything I would have thought they would do.

            February 2, 2021 at 6:04 AM
          • Carvj94 kwnyupstate .

            Of course. Everything is somehow different now that there’s no goon emblem next to system info. /s

            Losers are moving goalposts again. Taking the Ihub gives them literally zero advantages they didn’t already have. In fact they actually just gained a distraction since they’ll havta protect it now. Next they’ll pop an Astrahus and say they wiped out a valuable staging structure. Then they’ll kill someone’s T3 and say they wiped out a goon fleet.

            February 6, 2021 at 8:29 AM
        • Marus Garreth Vlox

          Why are you fucking terrified of taking a titan fight outside your citadel tether range?

          February 2, 2021 at 7:21 AM
          • shanemacgowansteeth Marus

            “Why won’t the defending army cede the defensive advantage in a defensive war?”

            Marus, military “genius”

            February 2, 2021 at 7:59 AM
          • Because that defending army is the one screaming pretty loud that the agressors are being cowards and cretins you genius!

            February 2, 2021 at 4:43 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            “that the agressors are being cowards and cretins”

            Which they are… they are invading, yet they only want to fight the invasion under conditions where they get the defender advantage.

            It’s really telling that your only super sized mega form ups where you actually managed to get everyone to show up happened on your own anchoring keepstars where you would have tether for the duration of the fight, the SOLE exception to that was the m2- fights and we all so how fast your side realized how hard actually invading someone is. Hell even the form ups to kill our keeps behind jammers came nowhere close to being as large as when you were anchoring keeps you could hide behind tether on.

            February 2, 2021 at 7:47 PM
          • kwnyupstate . shanemacgowansteeth

            By saying that he admits they are scared to do the thing they knew all along would be needed to defeat delve.

            February 2, 2021 at 8:55 PM
          • Garreth Vlox kwnyupstate .

            By saying that he admits papi started a war they knew they could never win and had no plan for how to end it once they reached a point they were no longer willing to continue past. And to top that off they got 30% of their claimed 1000 strong titan fleet killed, and another 15ish% is still stuck, and they fed 400+ dreads freeing another 18% from the same trap. Every time a papi forum warrior opens their mouth that make it clear they had no clue wtf they were doing when they started this whole thing and that they haven’t found a clue yet.

            February 2, 2021 at 11:28 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            LOL “Why won’t goons untether and face three to one odds without any of the natural advantages defenders get in this game?”

            Answer: Because we aren’t as dumb as vily.

            February 2, 2021 at 7:43 PM
          • YOU ARE THE ONES WHO REFUSE TO LOG IN YOUR UN-TETHERED TITANS YOU FUCKING IDIOT CAN OF SOUP.

            February 3, 2021 at 6:34 AM
          • Marus Ganthrithor

            What ships did you lost in this last week Ganthrithor? Something goonie goons haven’t SRPed?
            SHOW ME A BR WITH A 3:1 RATIO FOR US YOU FUCKING RETARDED LIARS!

            February 3, 2021 at 3:30 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            ” Something goonie goons haven’t SRPed?”

            Where do you come up with this crap?

            “SHOW ME A BR WITH A 3:1 RATIO FOR US YOU FUCKING RETARDED LIARS!”

            I like how you keep acting like BR’s are the only way to see how many people are in the alliances that make up pApI (some caps). dotlan is a thing, it shows how many ppl are in you 144,000 person coalition compared to our 45k person coalition…YOUR inability to get YOUR pilots into fleets is entirely YOUR problem. Just because you CAN’T manage to get them to actually fleet up and fight doesn’t change the fact that you brought 144k people together to try and dogpile us under 3:1 odds.

            February 4, 2021 at 12:15 AM
          • I lost a number of sabres killing you Ragnaroks.

            I can’t show you a BR where PAPI has 3x our numbers because PAPI can’t manage to match Imperium’s participation levels. Look at the number of members in each of the coalitions and I think you’ll find PAPI has 3x as many characters in it. Sorry your dudes don’t show up.

            February 6, 2021 at 8:48 AM
          • Also: today’s ihub fight in F20 at ~2.5:1 — 650 PAPI to 266 Imperium:

            https://br.evetools.org/related/30004013/202102062000

            February 6, 2021 at 9:37 PM
    • Everytime Guilford Australis says in a comment that PAPI actions seem “unusual”, or odd, strange or different than what he would like us to do, we all know that we are doing stuff the right way. We realise you are not quite the PvP-er in the game, but you could ask your FCs or more experienced fighters this: do they consider reinforcing the M2 iHUB on friday and then flipping it to PAPI on sunday (strategic win + the ISK war won on these objectives) a broadcast of strenght? Share with us some of your real fighter’s opinions.

      If you like to go to war head first (sacrificing moloks and vanquishers) that doesnt mean we all have to do the same. I am dissapointed however that you are not an imperium FC, we would really enjoy fighting titans under your command in the front line.

      February 1, 2021 at 4:30 PM
      • Guilford Australis Marus

        Ah, Marus, you extraordinary moron. You managed to pound your ham-fists in a sweaty rage into two whole paragraphs without responding to a single thing I said in my comment. It’s almost adorable.

        And that sheer, mind-bending level of stupidity is exactly why you cretins can’t seem to figure out how to evict a coalition one-third your size from one region of nullsec while comically accusing others of being bad at PVP.

        February 1, 2021 at 4:43 PM
        • Waw, I must be right seeing all those epithets in your characterization. I have responded Guilford, the answer is there, you just have to look and read in more detail.

          February 1, 2021 at 4:57 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            “the answer is there, you just have to look and read in more detail.”

            LOL no, all you did was insult him for not being an FC. Nice try though.

            February 2, 2021 at 6:03 AM
        • “I WANNA FIGHT UR TITANS, COWARD!”

          – Guy whose coalition ran away from an even titan fight despite their coalition having 3x the defenders’ numbers and tooting their horn often and loudly about how they have a supercap numbers advantage

          February 3, 2021 at 6:20 AM
      • Moomin Amatin Marus

        Guilford’s point stands though. PAPI have every advantage with two exceptions. PAPI leaders continue to tell their members nonsense about “a just war” while secretly trying to build the largest rental blue donut ever. There is more to this as the PAPI leadership have been shown to be less than honest with their members. The second is that the objective set by PAPI was amazingly stupid and can never be achieved.

        February 2, 2021 at 12:03 AM
      • Garreth Vlox Marus

        “If you like to go to war head first (sacrificing moloks and vanquishers) that doesnt mean we all have to do the same”

        You don’t need to drop your shiny titans to take advantage of a 3:1 numbers spread, all you have to do is find the spine to fight without a cyno jammer.

        February 2, 2021 at 1:02 AM
        • Marus Garreth Vlox

          Show me a BR from a major battle where the ratio was 3:1 ! You guys keep saying you are outnumbered 3:1, so pls post a BR from a major battle or stratop or whatever where you have been outnumbered 3:1.

          February 2, 2021 at 4:17 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            Again, YOUR inability to get YOUR pilots in fleet does not change how many people you have in your super sized blue donut. It just shows how few of your pilots are willing to fight.

            February 2, 2021 at 7:43 PM
          • How are you this thick: PAPI having 3x the number of players available means they can average-form for an op and still get 50% more people than we get if we hurf and rageform. It means you can consistently outnumber us by a margin that allows you to generate easy wins, while we have to drag people away from their real life obligations just to raise the possibility of reaching numerical parity.

            February 3, 2021 at 6:31 AM
      • You manifestly do not enjoy fighting our titans, since you were trading 1:1 with us in M2- until you decided to decline continuing the fight when downtime arrived.

        February 3, 2021 at 6:16 AM
    • kwnyupstate . Guilford Australis

      Basically because they are scared due to what happened the last time they attacked a keepstar. All imperium needs to do is what they are doing now and defend keepstars that matter and to “win” PAPI will need to make huge losses which they can’t afford which will continue diminish their numbers.

      February 1, 2021 at 5:33 PM
    • Nate Hunter Guilford Australis

      Show me when the Imperium has ever sacrificed as much Titans as PAPI or the Imperium in M2, M2-XFE is now claims fame to the largest Titan graveyard in all of EVE.
      The last War that the Imperium pummeled their opponents into submission very quickly they had the 2:1 advantage in nearly every fight. In the OP’s battle report PAPI had a 1.5:1 advantage and it sounded like they claimed the victory fairly easy. Regardless of outnumbered by no show characters PAPI typically has a 20-50% numbers advantage on timers. A far cry from a supposed 3:1 advantage.

      February 1, 2021 at 10:41 PM
      • Moomin Amatin Nate Hunter

        The Imperium has done plenty. Remember The Casino War? Just because The Imperium has not lost a stupid number of titans for the biggest gaming error ever from PAPI leadership doe not mean they have not put a lot on the line. The Imperium continues to do so while out numbered vastly as shown on battle reports.

        February 1, 2021 at 11:19 PM
      • Garreth Vlox Nate Hunter

        “Show me when the Imperium has ever sacrificed as much Titans as PAPI or the Imperium in M2, M2-XFE is now claims fame to the largest Titan graveyard in all of EVE.”

        We risked as many during the tribute wars, but we weren’t complete fucking idiots about how we went about jumping them in AND we had a plan to extract them before DT so we didn’t lose anywhere near as many as papi did.

        ” In the OP’s battle report PAPI had a 1.5:1 advantage and it sounded like they claimed the victory fairly easy.”

        All that would mean is they are having issues convincing 140k pilots to fleet up against an enemy they outnumber 3:1… that’s not a thing they should be confident about.

        February 2, 2021 at 12:59 AM
      • Havish Montak Nate Hunter

        X47

        February 2, 2021 at 8:26 AM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    The good theing is PAPI still on track and gave a good punch to Imp now matter how overexited goons were after M2 success. Looking further for the good fights.

    February 1, 2021 at 7:16 PM
    • Guilford Australis Deni'z von Meanace

      I disagree with the phrasing if not the sentiment. PAPI isn’t “still on track.” PAPI’s war effort was derailed for a month due to a massive strategic blunder from which they have only half-recovered as of this moment.

      Characterizing the M2 I-Hub as a major victory for PAPI when all it does is potentially allow an easier sneak-extraction of the 130+ titans (as well as supercarriers and capitals) still trapped there is not exactly a compelling show of force for a coalition that outnumbers its opponents 3:1.

      February 1, 2021 at 7:48 PM
      • Deni'z von Meanace Guilford Australis

        Nah it’s not a major victory, it’s just indicates that they have an objective at least one major to extract remaining supers which push them to muster for the ihub brawl and further second/third attempt to do massive rescue of trapped ships. Thus shows that they still on track.

        February 1, 2021 at 9:27 PM
        • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

          “Thus shows that they still on track.” As asked before “on track for what?” Their original goal here was to torch 3 keepstars, a month and a half later they are down 30% of their claimed 1000 titan fleet and have another 10-15% still trapped, all three keeps are still standing, and they are now 35 MORE days away from being able to take another swing at m2-. The only thing they are on track for is 1dq1 by christmas 2022.

          February 2, 2021 at 12:57 AM
          • Deni'z von Meanace Garreth Vlox

            You have them Sunday night in your system giving you a punch. So al least those who mustered have an objective either for agf or obligatory to cta doesn’t matter to me tbh. So those are on track to give a fight. Otherwise if noone appeared from their side you would claim a complete disaster fro them which they can’t allow right now either way it’s gonna be hall of shame for the entire propaganda they trying to keep alive.

            February 2, 2021 at 2:06 AM
          • kwnyupstate . Deni'z von Meanace

            If your people are saying you need to wait another 35 days before they have the balls to try a breakout that says they are weak and scared. Goons can just pre-stage all the ships in the system.

            February 2, 2021 at 5:21 AM
          • Deni'z von Meanace kwnyupstate .

            Not sure about Imp logic, you balme them for not giving you fight, and once you got a fight you blame them for not giving you a fight the day before, the week before etc.

            February 2, 2021 at 9:19 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

            Down voting my posts doesn’t change the fact that for the last month there has not been a cyno jammer in m2-. The only thing in the last 30 days stopping papi from a breakout was fear of losses. Then they tried a break out, fed 400+ dreads and decided not to do another without a cyno jammer. Twist these actions any way you want, the simple truth is papi is scared of losing ships, which is a very bad thing for someone trying to invade another person’s home region.

            February 3, 2021 at 5:16 AM
          • Deni'z von Meanace Garreth Vlox

            Upvoting your post doesn’t add any value to your defensive actions in delve or either furious replys how bad PAPI are ))

            February 3, 2021 at 5:32 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

            I didn’t ask you to add value. But acting like a child and downvoting me purely out of spite because I pointed out the flaws in your argument is comical.

            February 4, 2021 at 7:52 AM
          • up4g Adrian Web

            https://t.co/J1q1NYEvx8?QCdQGHMa

            February 4, 2021 at 8:18 AM
          • Deni'z von Meanace Garreth Vlox

            You act like an angry child in a sandbox cause someone called your sandcastle a joke. I didn’t ask you to add any value too it’s up to my judgement to up or down vote whatever you said.

            February 4, 2021 at 8:47 AM
          • Agravat Satish Deni'z von Meanace

            https://t.co/HkBerLwwjP?GQQ9H

            February 4, 2021 at 9:13 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

            “You act like an angry child in a sandbox cause someone called your sandcastle a joke” What? Are you just randomly putting words together when you post? When did I ever get angry? When did you ever talk about our sand castle? This entire discussion has been about papi’s lack of will to break out of M2- and the resulting feed when they finally found the will to try. I’m honestly starting to wonder if you’re just using a random word bot to post on here.

            February 5, 2021 at 12:20 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

            ” So those are on track to give a fight.” They could give a fight literally ANY TIME THEY WANT, there’s no jammer now, and there hasn’t been one for the past month… the only thing stopping papi from fighting is their complete and total inability to take losses in exchange for achieving an objective.

            February 2, 2021 at 6:07 AM
      • Elthar Nox Guilford Australis

        I’ll just throw this into the mix…the Keepstar still lives.

        I am going to write a wikipedia article on this. The End Result will be decided on whether that keepstar survives the war.

        February 3, 2021 at 1:40 PM
    • Moomin Amatin Deni'z von Meanace

      On track for what exactly? M2-X iHub was taken by PAPI back in November 2020. At the end of January 2021 PAPI are super stoked to have taken the M2-X iHub. In 35 days they can online a system wide cyno jammer, so March. This will then allow them to attack the initial timer of the M2-X Keepstar. Once that is put into the armour timer then PAPI will be right back where they were before the M2-X with still needing to save their currently trapped supers. So by about April we can expect to have an M2-X rematch. This is still on track for PAPI?

      February 1, 2021 at 11:57 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

      ” Looking further for the good fights.”

      Look papi needs to pick a narrative, either they’re here for good fights, or they’re here for an eviction.

      February 2, 2021 at 12:55 AM
  • Garreth Vlox

    “and eases the task of releasing the remaining 130 titans trapped under the M2- Keepstar.”

    That jammer hasn’t been there for a MONTH and they’ve made exactly 1 serious breakout attempt and it went pretty much how you would expect one to go given the circumstances of the ceiling fan papi currently has their super/titan dick stuck in. The task may have gotten harder if we got a cyno jammer up, but preventing one doesn’t make it “easier” to break out because there hasn’t been a jammer up since they got trapped.

    February 2, 2021 at 12:53 AM
    • Carvj94 Garreth Vlox

      They now have the major tactical advantage of having their emblem next to the system info. /s

      February 6, 2021 at 8:38 AM