Battle Report: China TZ Hits 3-D

2021-05-25

Header art by Major Sniper

The PAPI Coalition called in its Chinese time zone members for a huge push into the O-EIMK constellation. Assembling just after downtime, combined fleets of Fraternity, Army of Mangos, and Siege Green accompanied their PAPI allies fielding over 1000 pilots early on Tuesday, May 25. The Imperium counter-formed out of their core time zones, with their standard Carriers supported by Eagles. Early reports indicate PAPI have placed another Azbel and reffed a POS with the ISK war slightly in their favor, at 52bn lost to 55bn killed.

Over the past month there have been numerous attempts to gain a foothold in the Imperium’s home constellation. With over two trillion lost, they have so far achieved nothing in the Imperium’s final constellation – with every anchored Azbel failing to online. This latest attempt saw them utilize their allies from the China TZ to try and push home a numerical advantage. This was evident as the battle involved 1111 PAPI pilots vs 623 from the Imperium.

A Fraternity Cerberus avoids the fighter swarms.

Pando Strikes Again

The battle commenced amidst a hail of pings from PAPI. Forming in E-V in huge numbers, they prepared for their incursion into 3-D. Yet, once again, the Initiative’s FC Pandoralica was waiting for them. As the first group of Fraternity Muninns approached the gate, they were bombed in not-so spectacular style as previous runs. However, 14bn was destroyed for the loss of 2bn from the Initiative (who’s bombers were caught on their second wave).

As the fighting shifted into 3-D the PAPI blob was set upon by Imperium fighters on the gate. In a repeat of previous engagements, the PAPI Harpy fleet, led by Progodlegend, tried to scram and blast through fighters before they destroyed too many of the HAC fleet. Early indications show that the mass of fighters traded poorly against the assault frigates.

Imperium Carriers send their fighters into the fray.

The Harpy Swoops

As PAPI grappled for control of the gate, they fell victim to a number of subsequent bombing runs from Goonswarm FC Alice and smaller runs from Ranger Regiment. But with a critical mass of HACs, they quickly established control of the gate and Imperium fighters were recalled, having suffered over 12bn in loses. PAPI then proceeded to clear the anchored bubbles on the gate.

After this initial tussle the battle soon lost impetus and became a game of bomb and counter-bomb between fleet commanders on both sides. PAPI used this lull in the battle to bring in another Azbel (their 15th at the time of writing) and then proceeded to reinforce a POS at a nearby moon. A few small engagements occurred with Jackdaws, Harpys, and Eagles.

A Pandemic Horde Crucifier guards the E-V gate.

Azbels and Defenders

The most notable change in tactics occurred during the extraction. Clearly learning from previous mistakes, PAPI managed to evacuate the system in an organized withdrawal. HAC fleets were warped out sequentially whilst the large Harpy/Jackdaw fleet orbited the gate at 40km to guard from potential bombing runs. This tactic ultimately proved successful, with an Initiative bomber wing destroyed in the closing phases of the engagement.

This battle followed the pattern of many before. The Imperium, outnumbered, attempted to use its carrier advantage, whilst PAPI forming large numbers of sub caps were able to dictate the close range engagements. The Chinese TZ will look more appealing for future operations due to the disparity in numbers of deployed pilots, but with no key timers to fight over, they can only facilitate future battles. Once again the ISK war remained balanced, with no tangible gains achieved in PAPI’s on-going quest to crack the O-EIMK constellation.

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Comments

  • Guilford Australis

    Another Azbel, oh no.

    Reffed a POS, oh God no is nothing sacred?

    The Imperium will never survive these fortnightly attacks upon our POS infrastructure.

    May 25, 2021 at 9:03 PM
  • Moomin Amatin

    1st Palace in 1DQ is all that matters. This has been the case since the start of the war almost a year ago. I am still not sure how an online Azbel in 3-D furthers this goal. Every remaining system belonging to The Imperium can fall but while 1DQ stands The Imperium have not lost.

    May 25, 2021 at 9:32 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Moomin Amatin

      just wait till they get hte 3-d azbel up and continue to do …. NOTHING. All this station does is give them another gate to lack the balls to jump. It’s yet another gate for pando to bomb them on. Their strategy appears to still be dreamed up by a toddler on a sugar rush.

      May 26, 2021 at 12:11 AM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    So all those comments we’ve heard before that FRT & AoM out of game and have busy times at their homes confirmed to be wrong? And what about China TZ, what’s that? DT period is always been AUTZ where goons should have enough force to ping and provide content but China TZ?

    May 25, 2021 at 9:32 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

      ” cause PAPI mitigate bombing runs”

      losing 14 billion to bombers and killing 2 billion in return isn’t really “mitigating” anything, unless papi was trying to “mitigate” the size of their own fleet…

      May 26, 2021 at 1:55 AM
      • Marus Garreth Vlox

        “Imperium fighters were recalled having suffered over 12bn in loses.” mitigate this

        May 26, 2021 at 6:17 PM
        • Garreth Vlox Marus

          strategic objective: failed < that's pretty much all the mitigation goons need. Since the azbel once again died at the online timer.

          May 26, 2021 at 10:37 PM
          • Deni'z von Meanace Garreth Vlox

            Btw what is strategic objective, since all goons ref. that onlining an Azbel won’t do anything positive for PAPI’s forces. But nevertheless goons mastering 15 times already to kill those.

            May 27, 2021 at 12:49 AM
          • Garreth Vlox Deni'z von Meanace

            I don’t know what you are asking here. The strategic objective is kicking goons out of delve/the game according to vily. Why vily and procoward are trying to anchor an azbel in 3-d when they already have a keepstar is a really good question. But since they decided to anchor several in 3-d it’s clearly the strategic objective of this and the last fight.

            May 27, 2021 at 1:21 AM
      • Deni'z von Meanace Garreth Vlox

        Imp killed 14 bils by bombing runs, and couldn’t utilize fighters due to successfully used AF doctrine from PAPI’S side.

        May 27, 2021 at 12:47 AM
  • Seir Luciel

    It seems PAPI is adapting to The Imperium’s defenses, both in ship doctrine and in piloting tactics. We’ll see how The Imperium’s defenses respond to PAPI’s adaptations. Perhaps all that is required is grit, and the rapid replacement of bubbles and fighters; but The Imperium might also need to respond in other ways as well if their defenses are to be as successful as they have been in the recent past.
    ———————–

    I am still not sure how an online Azbel in 3-D furthers this goal.

    Another Azbel, oh no.

    In other news, in Horde’s capital system of R1O The Initiative was spotted anchoring an Azbel today (Tuesday, the 25th). One horde member upon hearing the news responded: “not where that goes :P”

    May 25, 2021 at 10:14 PM
    • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

      LOL its funnier to make fun of someone when they already have a KEEPSTAR anchored 1 gate from their enemies staging, than it is to make fun of someone who just dropped a structure that base their future attacks out of that when they don’t already have a keepstar in the area.

      I get that you have to keep up appearances as your attacks continue to slam into the brick wall that is the 1dq1 constellation but holy shit was this post a reach Seir, even for you.

      May 26, 2021 at 1:53 AM
      • Seir Luciel Garreth Vlox

        You misunderstand: I’m not making fun. I get it; everyone’s in the galaxy is attacking you so you assume every post by a PAPI member on INN is an attack or a jab. This wasn’t one of them.

        I thought the news was interesting. The Initiative are moving into Horde space; I think this is partly tactical and partly political. It makes sense to distract a large fleeting sector of the enemy, but it also makes it look better to be attacking the group that up to this point appear untouched back home.

        Moreover, I don’t really need to “keep up appearances.” The Mittani recently said: “I don’t expect the enemy to be changing their tactics much, because quite frankly it is their best way to get in and f*** us over. They are using a sensible strategy.” With an enemy leader saying stuff like this, there isn’t much appearances for a simple line member like me to keep up.

        May 26, 2021 at 2:12 AM
        • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

          You will have to understand that any form of competition can bring the worst out of even some of the best people. As you know us goons have been conditioned over the years with much “brain washing” in our “cult”. The result is of course an instinctive reflex to read things in a less than positive way. I know this myself only too well from my time in hostile stagers. For instance how would you interpret the following:

          [19:31:32] PAPI Member > Moomin’s like that old man in a small town screaming about that time he was abducted by aliens.
          [19:31:39] PAPI Member > Everytime you see him, you know you’re home

          I look forward to your measured response as always.

          May 26, 2021 at 2:30 AM
          • Seir Luciel Moomin Amatin

            That was pretty funny :P, and I meant it only in good fun. But if what I wrote crossed a line, I apologize.

            Look; because of where we are you and I are likely to cross narratives and squabble. And you’re right. “[you] goons have been conditioned over the years with much “brain washing” in [your] “cult”. The result is of course an instinctive reflex to read things in a less than positive way.” I have sympathy for this; especially now when Goons are on the receiving end of some major pressure (and toxicity, much of the time).

            Yes, I want to see Goons lose 1DQ; and yes, when they shout “PISSPI” and all else I want to see them lose badly. But there’s no sense actually try to hurt others on the other end of the computer screen. I come here to prod Goons a bit, get involved in the discussion, write an article hoping it will frame some of the narrative. But I try to limit the amount of jabbing I do; I at least try to limit vitriol in my writing. I may not always succeed. Sometimes I get heated. But if I’ve ever been too mean spirited, Moomin, I apologize. That’s not what I’m here to do.

            May 26, 2021 at 2:47 AM
          • Moomin Amatin Seir Luciel

            Thank you for your kind words. Apology accepted. 😉

            May 26, 2021 at 5:14 AM
        • Garreth Vlox Seir Luciel

          ” You misunderstand: I’m not making fun. ”

          “In other news, in Horde’s capital system of R1O The Initiative was spotted anchoring an Azbel today (Tuesday, the 25th). One horde member upon hearing the news responded: “not where that goes :P””

          Bullshit, you were absolutely making fun of the imperium putting up a staging station.

          May 26, 2021 at 5:10 AM
          • Seir Luciel Garreth Vlox

            What I was trying to point out was that I found it ironic Goons were mocking PAPI azbel anchoring while they also are anchoring an azbel in a place where its unlikely for the structure to live long.

            However, I’m not mocking The Imperium for placing an azbel I’m R1O. Politically and tactically its probably the right move to attack Horde. Whether the azbel placed there is in the right spot or whatever, I don’t actually know. But in my opinion, in a war like this, you gotta shoot your shot even if its unlikely to be successful. (At least with something like azbels). Whether or not PAPI’s azbel or Initiative’s azbel lives, in a war of atrition like this, “unsuccessful” attempts potentially stair step one’s way toward the “successful” attempt (built on the back of “failed” attempts).

            May 26, 2021 at 1:23 PM
        • Jeet_Kundo Seir Luciel

          Brings me back to my Planetside 1 days when I was part of a spec-ops outfit that primarily specialized in back-capping. It works: it pulls resources away from the frontline and, with the mechanics that we have in game, adds another timer PAPI has to work around. Backcaps that are allowed to snowball quickly become detrimental and can turn the tide, especially if it gets to the point of having a significant impact on logistics. It’s something that may seem small now but I do believe PAPI leadership should take it very seriously and not waive it off for the sake of ego.

          May 26, 2021 at 9:35 AM
    • Jeet_Kundo Seir Luciel

      Seems we learned pretty quickly with last night’s riposte and sinking Azbel #15.

      May 26, 2021 at 9:30 AM
  • kwnyupstate .

    Someone report FRAT to the Chinese internet censorship organization for bypassing state controls and eliminate them from the game or report CCP for knowingly allowing it.

    May 25, 2021 at 10:18 PM
    • Seir Luciel kwnyupstate .

      Um, yikes?

      Are you being facetious?

      May 25, 2021 at 10:51 PM
      • kwnyupstate . Seir Luciel

        If CCP is violating Chinese law then China should be aware of it since CCP does business there.

        May 26, 2021 at 1:45 AM
        • Plebble kwnyupstate .

          I don’t think CCP does business there anymore. Which is why Serenity is still offline.

          May 26, 2021 at 12:54 PM
    • Carvj94 kwnyupstate .

      Let’s not tell a somewhat violent authoritarian government where to find “lawbreakers” and just let people play video games regardless of their geographical location.

      May 26, 2021 at 6:58 AM
    • chimpy kwnyupstate .

      It doesn’t matter which side of the war you support. Wishing real life harm on people is not ok. IN GAME you can have as much fn as you want hating on the other side. You can get as pantomime villain as you want like the Mittani does. But remember the people you are fighting against are gamers just like you and your allies. We all play Eve together. We are all fellow gamers enjoying video games together whichever side we are on. Wanting fellow gamers to suffer serious consequences in real life for in game shenanigans is considered an extremely bad attitude and will not do your reputation any good. Please have a think on this. Just a single example; another story on this website today is about an in game rememberance of an Eve player who passed away in real life. There is usually a truce for such ceremonies as all sides want to respect the memory of a fellow gamer who has fallen. This extends all across gaming worlds not just within Eve. e.g. World of Warcraft. Have fun bashing each other over the head be it swords or spaceships but always remember it’s a fellow human player and fellow gamer somewhere in the world that you are sharing the experiences with.

      May 26, 2021 at 1:51 PM
    • That is so low, no matter what alliance are you from.

      May 26, 2021 at 6:30 PM
  • Garreth Vlox

    “With over two trillion lost,”

    They could have replaced a lot of unreplaced titans with that much isk…

    May 26, 2021 at 12:09 AM
    • Moomin Amatin Garreth Vlox

      Less now since the most recent industry changes. 😉

      May 26, 2021 at 2:24 AM
  • Noob

    The racial overtones are disturbing.

    May 26, 2021 at 1:51 PM
    • Seir Luciel Noob

      I have an article coming out soon about the worry that some influences in EVE are replacing a “red threat” (anti-Russian sentiment) which was heavily present in EVE’s past for a new kind of Chinese paranoia/negativity. I don’t think accusations are helpful, or worthwhile. But I think all of us need to be careful that we don’t repeat some of the same mistakes we have in the past.

      May 26, 2021 at 2:35 PM
    • Zaand Noob

      What are you on about? Are you offended by saying Chinese TZ? Stop looking for reasons to be offended for someone else.

      May 26, 2021 at 3:41 PM
  • Well I mean, they better play the Chinese horde card before the whole “negwalleted alliances can’t transfer structures” thing comes into play 😀

    May 27, 2021 at 2:30 AM