Are Goons Bad For EVE?

2020-07-24

Art by Major Sniper

Every time there is a war against Goonswarm, and by extension the Imperium as a whole, a propaganda myth emerges. Since the time of Band of Brothers the claim that “Goons are bad for EVE” has been heard. Even the current war that, once again, pitted The-Rest-Of-Eve against the Imperium, started in part with claims by Legacy leadership that Goons are somehow bad for the game. But if we analyze the evidence, do history and reality support this claim? Do Goons stagnate content and kill the game? First let’s look at what our respective rivals are doing.

Legacy Coalition currently holds Catch, Impass, Esoteria, Paragon Soul, Feythabolis, Omist, Tenerifis and Immensea. In turn they have friendly relations with the coalition to their east, FI.RE, and recently appear to be working with PanFam and Winterco. Legacy alone has some eight regions which are blue “no-content” zones full of blues and renters.

PanFam and their various allies control space between Vale of the Silent, Cache and Cobalt Edge forming a triangle of roughly eight to 10 regions. Everyone there is blue while many are just renters and simply farm the region for its resources. Furthermore Branch and Tenal are both under full PanFam and Winterco control. Despite this Fraternity carries out a war of conquest against smaller alliances in Vale of the Silent to further expand their holdings.

Compare this with the Imperium, which only holds Delve, Period Basis, Querious and Fountain. Goonswarm and their coalition hold half as many regions as either rival coalition. Not only that, but the Imperium promotes smaller entities on its borders. In Querious, a long established “fight club” is there, where under the protection of the coalition, smaller entities can hold space and fight each other without the fear of being taken over. To the north in Cloud Ring, we have allowed entities like Pen Is Out and Villore Accords to settle, and have left them undisturbed despite our many campaigns that take us through their space.

Even in Tribute and Vale of the Silent, two historically PanFam owned regions that we destroyed in our punitive campaign, with the likes of Northern Coalition and Pandemic Legion, smaller alliances have sprouted up. Trigger Happy, Forsaken Asylum, Freight Train Diplomacy, and Toilet Paper are but a few of the many alliances that now have a content area to grow and develop where once simply stood PanFam’s rental fields. Wherever the Imperium goes, we do not stifle content, but instead give birth to it.

We have also acted as a refuge for the blobbed and downtrodden. When Brave Newbies Alliance was bullied into submission, many left and created Karma Fleet which to this day continues to flourish. Some forget that the Brave members struck with Stockholm Syndrome that formed the basis of Pandemic Horde were, for years, simply used as meat shields by the very same people who nearly destroyed their alliance. Even our enemies, who amass themselves against us, have benefited from Goonswarm’s innovations. Test and Pandemic Horde have both copied and utilized our “special interest group” structure to organize. Who has done more to innovate, create content, and publicize EVE? Even The Imperium News Network, in its current and previous form as TheMittani.com, created a dialogue between EVE’s player populace and other games, breathing life into our community and establishing links.

Goonswarm and by extension the Imperium are the most prolific organizations in EVE recognizable even to non-EVE players. We have always been an avenue for new players to join and participate in EVE, a game that’s generally considered complicated and difficult to learn. When other groups, be they Band of Brothers, Pandemic Legion, or Northern Coalition, made an attempt to stamp out newer players, or at best, use them as meat shields, the Imperium has been a better option. This is due to our leadership’s understanding that our player base’s success translates to our overall coalition’s success. The claim that “Goons are bad for EVE,” often taken for granted by our enemies, falls flat on its face when pressed under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

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Comments

  • Do Little

    I don’t believe Goons are bad for the game, I do believe the current war is good for the game and both sides need a narrative! Goons are – in general – better organized, better managed and more profitable than their competition – no single entity in the game can compete. That could be considered bad for the game, it requires a merger of coalitions like the current situation to pose a threat to the Imperium. I’ll argue it would be healthier if we could balkanize Nullsec.

    July 24, 2020 at 9:32 AM
    • Rammel Kas Do Little

      Trouble is the Imperium was evolved to counter a group who did stagnate the game before and will if left unchecked absolutely stagnate the game for their preferred play style. And you can see their alt-corp footprint in non K-space. You can’t remove one or another group out of the equation. That is a very flawed conclusion as it leaves the other. Thankfully you cannot do that unless the group stops logging in. The solution is to improve. Not retrograde.

      July 24, 2020 at 10:17 AM
  • Simon Chui

    What actually makes the goons different from other groups? It’s their out-of-game infrastructure. The truth is, eve by itself is literally unplayable. The most you can do is some small gang good fights. Everybody uses out-of-game resources all the time, and the goons have the most of it. This is the real problem when people complain about any of the null blocs. Anyone without the real world resources and expertise to set up that infrastructure can never get organised enough to challenge the blocs.

    It would really level the playing field if all the blocs revealed all their out-of-game infrastructure and made it available to everyone. But why would they? Why should you get for free what they had to build? Ultimately, it’s up to ccp to put more resources into the game if they think it’ll attract and retain more players. Or, if they don’t, then they’re condoning the way things are.

    July 24, 2020 at 2:02 PM
    • houseman man Simon Chui

      Too true, at the end of the day the only thing holding up these large blocs is infrastructure, most of which is not provided by CCP.

      July 29, 2020 at 2:41 AM
  • Guilford Australis

    The irony is delicious.

    TAPI, who have blued nearly every alliance and coalition in nullsec, claim that Piggles’ vanity project of evicting the one coalition now standing in opposition to “literally all of EVE” will be… good for EVE.

    I guess Piggles and Vily can look forward to keeping their line members entertained with pre-arranged Muninn and Ferox slapfights with FRAT once they’ve achieved 100% blue status with all remaining organizations in the game. Because that will be “good for EVE,” don’t-you-know.

    July 24, 2020 at 7:41 PM
  • Guilford Australis

    Goons aren’t mad about anything. Goons are amused that PGL and Vily repeatedly throw their alliance into the arms of those who defeat and humiliate them while pretending to be strategic geniuses.

    But I’m sure it’ll work out for them this time.

    July 24, 2020 at 7:46 PM
  • Logan Pancake

    Personally I don’t agree with the idea that Goons are bad for the game, I think they’re great. Rather than specify why the Imperium is great you have instead opted to compare yourselves with your current enemies and use this comparison as the foundation of these argument on why you’re better than them for the health of the game. This narrative however falls flat on it’s face when you take Goon’s history into account.

    The arguments you make against Panfam and TEST are the exact same arguments made against the Imperium back in the day at it’s height. The Imperium used to own almost half the entire sov map with another large portion of that map that was conquered and given to allied Russians and what not. In terms of pilots, regions owned, blued entities, etc the Imperium took the cake back in the day and no one has come close since.

    Special interest groups and Goon’s notorious organisational abilities are a natural consequence of having a massive entity such as Goons. It is only now that other organisations such as Pandemic Horde are getting to that same level that they are now implementing this kind of organisation. Any entity that becomes as huge as Goons would have followed a similar path regardless of whether or not Goons existed. Goons were just the first to have such numbers.

    Time is also another factor. Historically any entity big enough to be a threat to Goons was torched long before it could reach the critical mass needed to flesh out it’s organisational structure. The Phoebe changes neutered the Imperium’s ability to stamp out threatening alliances around the map leading to the situation today.

    We have also acted as a refuge for the blobbed and downtrodden.

    I’m gonna have to do another session on the foam roller over the irony of this comment. The Imperium has spent 99% of their existence blobbing other alliances. Historically even with overwhelming numerical superiority they will still enlist the aid of mercenaries and other alliances hostile to the enemy to aid them, see the Halloween War. The Imperium is known by it’s blobbing prowess, not as a refuge from it.

    Let’s not forget that the first time Goons clubbed TEST to death, the premiere noobie alliance at the time, all it took was a few moon changes for Goons to euthanize their lovable step brother. The new players only matters when it suits Goons. The organisations that have formed since including TEST, Brave, Pandemic Horde are all a testament to this and the desire for a better place more conducive to the new player experience.

    July 25, 2020 at 4:57 AM
    • The first time we clubbed newbie-alliance TEST? You mean, when they backstabbed us after Goonswarm took those newbies under our wing, brought them into nullsec, gave them the space they needed to grow, and then helped them carve out their own space once they were powerful enough to claim their own regions? It was Goonswarm that nurtured the bright-eyed Redditors in Dreddit, gave them “The Testagram” in Deklein, and held their hand as they grew into a real alliance. It was their dumb fucking idea to upend their relationship with Goonswarm by allying with and deploying alongside Goonswarm’s enemies in order to “prove their independence.” So shut your ignorant mouth with this horseshit about how we drivebyed some newbie alliance: we gave them everything, and as soon as they thought they could stand on their own two feet they fucked us over. We’ve since been through several iterations of letting bygones be bygones, only for them to cozy up to Pandemic Legion and NCdot over and over again. TEST have repeatedly made their bed, now they can die in it. Take your bullshit posting somewhere else.

      July 27, 2020 at 1:13 AM
  • Unknown 2

    Goons have been the best alliance in eve for me, if it wasn’t for the great community and help it offers i wouldn’t be playing eve no more, Goons aren’t bad, we don’t do nothing wrong to no one unless, we just want to do our own thing and to be left alone, lest all remember who broke the nip for an example.

    July 25, 2020 at 5:54 AM
  • Deni'z von Meanace

    TAPI is mad with Goons since they lost their virginity to them in Fountain war. And they had poisoned their mind with great revenge tbey could never achieve since after. Test is ready to be pet to any coalition who helps them to destroy Great Hive. Pathetic.

    July 26, 2020 at 2:57 AM
  • DigitalSoul

    I’ve been in goons and fought against goons. Either way it’s always been good fun with good people. Isn’t that all that matters in a game?

    July 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM
  • Bogieking

    Baloney. My corps, all 15 of us, lived in Venal for a year bothering no one and making ISK. Then, the big bad goons decided that we needed to go, and they sent Razor in and blasted us out-no reason, just because we were there in a system they would never use. I am in the war against the goons, and enjoying every damn kill mail.

    July 26, 2020 at 11:42 PM
    • molochz Bogieking

      Sounds like you guys were ripe for the picking.
      Anyone could, and would, have seen you as weak and come to take your space.
      That’s how EVE works. It’s a PvP game. Did you guys really think you could keep your space by being nice to people? You have to fight for it.
      Anyone would have done the same and you know it.
      How is that bad for the game anyway? You were someones content. That’s a good thing.

      July 29, 2020 at 1:00 PM
  • So, as someone who met Brave Newbies back when they started up, left the game, and came back. What happened to them exactly?

    July 28, 2020 at 7:19 AM