Mango Picking Season Begins

2021-09-22

After WWB (Beeitnam) ended, the question was in the air of what the next war would entail. Many bet that Goons would wage war against TEST. Others theorized that Fraternity would move against their long-time rival Army of Mangoes (AoM). After many skirmishes and mashups, we can finally say that the latter scenario is coming to pass.

Fraternity has planned to go after Mangoes for a long time. However, the main barrier for FRT had been Mangoes’ place in the Legacy coalition. Then, starting in July of 2020, the war in Delve created the PAPI mega-coalition; Fraternity found themselves unable or unwilling to take action on their AoM plans, due to diplomatic reasons, with their attention turned on Delve. After the war ended, TEST moved to Outer Passage, and AoM made the decision to leave Legacy and stay in Esoteria. This move left the door wide open for Fraternity. On the September 17, Fraternity really kick-started a new war.

A1-AUH

The fight initially started as a medium-sized Fraternity group using wormholes to travel to the Esoteria region, with the intent to get kills and cause havoc amongst Mangoes. In the system of Q0OH-V, which is next door to A1, the Fraternity fleet caught a Mango Nyx on the gate. With no backup, the Nyx died to the Fraternity fleet, as the wormhole was situated in system and the Nyx did not have adequate time to prepare. After this victory the fraternity fleet went to A1, where AoM attempted to kill them with supers. The Fraternity FC then attempted to kill some of the supers and also kill any subcap forces that came in. Due to the rising number of AoM FAXes and supers coming onto the fight, the Fraternity fleet now just attempted to hold what they could, pinging for HICs and light tackle to reinforce the fight. AoM intended to kill this Fraternity fleet, as retribution for the super loss, and they fielded ever-increasing numbers of supers.

Mango supers join the fight at its earlier stages.

However, AoM made a critical error in judgement. With almost no subcap presence on field and super fighters being exterminated by Fraternity, AoM had given Fraternity the room they needed to continue to fight. Further, Fraternity found the numbers they needed in order to turn the battle from simply holding the Mangoes to eliminating them. However, things grew confusing, as along with regular escalations, third parties became involved.

With these escalations, the battle was in full swing, with local spiking rapidly as even more people came in. At one time local saw over a thousand pilots. By this time, the chaos increased considerably, as “third party” groups were blasting everyone. INIT arrived with a Muninn fleet; a X.I.X Nado fleet showed up and even some TEST pilots arrived. However, amidst the mashup, the FRT forces continued to hold grid control.

The fight rages, with red being Mangos and purple and blue being FRT.

What Went Wrong

What turned a simple subcap roam into almost half a trillion super fleet loss? What could Mangoes have done differently? They lacked control of the grid; they also underestimated the nature of the rising problem. Throughout the early stages of the fight, the only significant attempt at pushing the FRT fleet off by means other than supers was a Mango Legion fleet and the X.I.X Nado fleet. The Legion were immediately targeted by the FRT Munnins, as they fed through gate. The Nado fleet did not feed; however, the choice of Nados was a poor due to their lack of a significant presence on the field. Had something like Munnins been formed to counter the FRT dictors and to keep the FRT fleet from getting almost free reign, more Mango supers would have escape and the loss would have been much less.

Additionally, the choice  to bring in increasingly more supers was catastrophic, as it did not fix the problem, but created an even bigger target for further intervention by other third party interlopers. This seems like a dubious decision in normal circumstances, but considering AoM’s current diplomatic situation, this decision seems reckless. AoM has no major allies subsequent to their departure from Legacy.

The Impact on the Upcoming War

So what does the event of A1 mean for the upcoming Mango war against Fraternity? A1 acts like a catalyst for the declaration of war. If it had never happened, it is entirely possible the war would have been postponed, giving Mangos more time to find friends and cement themselves in Esoteria. Additionally this event has severely damaged AoM’s morale and highlighted what a precarious situation they are in. Fraternity will certainly take advantage of this event and has already anchored structures in nearby Stain in preparation for the advance into Esoteria.

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Comments

  • Moomin Amatin

    It is funny to see the PAPI gang back together again. PanFam, Winter Coalition, FIRE Coalition and of course TAPI are all gunning for their former “valued ally” in AoM. Perhaps this time PAPI-lite will actually win this one. They are at least off to a good start on their much coveted killboards.

    Speaking for myself and probably also a few more Imperium members, this is fantastic. We get to watch those who wronged us tear into each other in order to reclaim some confidence in their respective leadership. We also get to see who TAPI work closely with, which seems to be FIRE at this time.

    One thing is likely to be certain, the use of caps will be treated with more caution in the future. There are too many pieces moving to allow any one group unrivalled confidence in the use of them.

    September 22, 2021 at 10:02 AM
    • William Doe Moomin Amatin

      I was wondering when this was finally going to happen. It’ll be quite fun to see how things pan out, but I’m hoping AoM and Evictus find some allies so they can tear big enough of a chunk as possible to the PAPI-lite forces (new PIBC clearly outnumbered and heavily outgunned after the losses from this). What I found hilarious was how dedicated FRT was to sending over several hundred pilots over the course of this just to get at their hated enemies in AoM. If they put in that much manpower and effort in all the big battles during the war, things may have turned out differently.

      I’m sure Imperium members are eager to hop in and mess both sides up as a third faction, especially sniping and tackling TAPI stuff too since TEST is Next/Now.

      September 22, 2021 at 12:51 PM
      • VanPatton William Doe

        I myself am very interested to see where people side. We may have a war where TEST and Goons fight on the same side with Mangos or maybe all major blocs jsut third party on fights. What is certian is there will be a great number of diplo incidents keeping alliance diplo busy

        September 22, 2021 at 5:31 PM
        • Garreth Vlox VanPatton

          You can count on the just about everyone who can make it there showing up to third party the fight big or small, but the chances of goons seeing test on field and not shooting them are pretty much zero.

          September 22, 2021 at 6:01 PM
    • Wanna know what is even more funnier? The silence of not hearing babies cry anymore about the “blue donut” and how that will kill EVE.

      September 23, 2021 at 9:00 AM
      • Guilford Australis Marus

        I believe the people you’re referring to as “babies” won the war, kicked you straight in the ass on your way out the door, destroyed Legacy Coalition, shoved Brave into a backwater region, and mocked PanFam for failing in 100% of its war goals in a hilariously humiliating fashion.

        September 23, 2021 at 11:58 AM
        • Babies can win wars. Have you ever heard a baby’s scream after you take his toy? You give it back just to make him stop and accept surrendering. Now without any mockering goons won this war and they deserved the victory. But they still cried like babies before they won and that is funny as hell.

          September 23, 2021 at 3:49 PM
          • Guilford Australis Marus

            You seriously believe PAPI quit because they were tired of Goons complaining? That’s… certainly a novel theory. I guess we should complain more.

            September 23, 2021 at 4:34 PM
          • Garreth Vlox Marus

            “But they still cried like babies”

            ladies and gentlemen, this is what projection looks like.

            September 23, 2021 at 5:34 PM
      • Garreth Vlox Marus

        You know what’s even funnier than that? Test, Panfam, and brave all still batphone each other regardless of their “resets” so the blue donut is alive and people do still talk about that.

        September 23, 2021 at 5:32 PM
      • Moomin Amatin Marus

        Oh far far more than that. You see Beeitnam was started by a bunch of “babies crying about goons having too many blues and are too big”. They then formed the largest blue donut in Eve’s history and lost in such a spectacular fashion that it will be studied for years to come. The icing on the cake is that PAPI have declared loudly the “big reset” and yet they are still all on fleets together “dunking on former allies”. There is so much more to this as you know only too well.

        September 23, 2021 at 6:54 PM
      • Novartis Marus

        You know what’s funnier? They say goons must be exterminated, they say +1 member to fight goons, blah blah blah. It’s so silent now.

        September 24, 2021 at 1:46 AM
        • Alaric Faelen Novartis

          Yeah and they also said they lost because game mechanics make an offensive war impossible even with all of null sec blued to them…..then proceeded to run across the map because they didn’t have any confidence that they could defend against two whole alliances.
          It’s why they danced smug circles when they destroyed undefended structures- but none of that counted when every structure they spent a year putting up was taken down in 3 weeks.

          At this point PAPI are literally the laughingstock of not just Eve, but the gaming community at large. They couldn’t have failed harder- or more hilariously.
          The utter fail cascade they put on display was best. You know in fantasy movies when the main villain dies suddenly the entire castle collapses or the entire orc army just gives up and runs pell mell for the hills? No organization, no allies anymore, just every orc for himself. Welcome to PAPI.

          September 24, 2021 at 2:50 AM
  • kwnyupstate .

    Freshly squeezed mango juice smoothies.

    September 22, 2021 at 4:04 PM
    • chthulan kwnyupstate .

      Mmmm, love mangoes! Fresh off the tree…

      September 23, 2021 at 8:40 AM