Industry in a New World: Specialize or Go Public


Many people know me from various endeavors in Eve, I have been a notable mention on the bottom of the Imperium Ticket for CSM, A Spectre Fleet FC for the Alliance Tournament Team or as one of the few and proud PVE fleet commanders to cause Time Dilation in High sec during the Drifter Incursions. What most people haven’t seen is my work with industry. I formerly ran a moon mining empire and several other highly profitable productions lines. After all of that, I set my eyes on the new Engineering Complexes and the wonders that they are…

My first thoughts were; This is going to wholesale make running corporate industry jobs easier and safer than POS. Asset security is hilariously generous for the known space builders and destroyed structures should be easily replaced. But upon looking at the bonuses and rigs for the different sizes, I am concerned the small corps of high sec will lose the independent lifestyle they were accustomed to as the medium and even the large require the owner to specialize production lines for max bonuses or build an XL.

Let’s Talk Costs. 

  • Medium ~ 600 Million
  • Large ~ 4.3 Billion
  • X-Large ~ 27 Billion

That seems reasonable at first glance. However, things get screwy if you build more than a few types of products or build component based products. For instance to build Freighters you need 3 Mediums and rig them for 200 million per rig x3 rigs, so 600 million each. Suddenly we are looking at a different ballpark than the old world of POS’s. The issue is if you build multiple types of products you are hindered by only having so many rig slots. Simply put, build an XL for convenience, or buy a freighter.

Current Rigs Average Build Cost:

  • Medium ~ 150-200 Million
  • Large ~  3 to 4 Billion+
  • X-Large ~ 25 Billion

Remember, you have 3 rig slots, and the hysterically bad idea of T2 rigging these incredibly flimsy structures for marginally more than your kidney is worth on the black market as the XL t2 rigs dwarf structure costs by hundreds of billions.

Now let’s talk XL’s because things are really strange on that one as the estimated rig price for T1 rigs makes building the hull feel like the easy part. At an estimated 25 Billion isk per T1 rig, the final build cost of an XL comes out to an impressive 102 billion isk with (in high sec) only a 1% increase in Material Efficiency. However, at that price, you can build everything better than in a POS can even after taxes.

What does this mean for the old one man operations of the old days? It means specialize, die, or go public. I think we will see High Sec XL’s that will be industrial Meccas used by thousands with low tax rates. There is some evidence to support this as 16 Mediums have been erected in Perimeter for public use following that specific purpose.  

My advice for the small corps that can’t afford to go big, Get in with others in your area and see who is putting down what rigs for production. Alternatively find a nice public Engineering Complex to live out of.

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  • syndic_thrass

    who the fuck are you?

    December 12, 2016 at 12:07 PM
    • Commander Aze syndic_thrass

      Guest Writer, little pvp… little pve… a bit of industry…

      Spectre Fleet FC
      Spectre Fleet AT Team Captain
      LINKK Alliance Executor
      Ran for csm 3 times (will be 4 times this coming election season)
      Currently Live in High Sec / C2 Wormhole space
      Long Term Incursions FC
      Involved in Dev fleet
      … among other things

      … existentially speaking I’m nothing more than a sandcastle builder and destroyer. Are any of us really more than that?

      December 12, 2016 at 1:55 PM
      • Rhivre Commander Aze

        “Ran for csm 3 times (will be 4 times this coming election season)”

        You are a glutton for punishment 😉

        December 12, 2016 at 1:58 PM
        • Commander Aze Rhivre

          I also work for the second least popular Federal Agency in the USA… And enjoy my job …. Kind of a Civic duty type thing .. though taking a step back for a firm answer… Yes 🙂

          December 12, 2016 at 2:04 PM
  • MGarsk

    I support this guy and his opinions but I don’t support this news agency and their supporters.

    December 12, 2016 at 4:33 PM
  • Urandas

    Sense XL rigs cost almost as much as an XL industry complex itself, should CCP reduce the build cost of production based rigs?

    December 12, 2016 at 5:39 PM
    • Commander Aze Urandas

      Updated figure on the rig costs
      T1 Rig (Only 1 Rig) (Ranges wildly from 25 to 27 billion)
      T2 Rig (Only 1 Rig) (171 Billion today probably more later on….

      In short Yes… CCPlease scale rigs to reasonable costs its ridiculously out of touch with the rest of the market… Given I think the issue is Citadels can use the industry rigs…. though the trade of in costs is definitely a thing in that case.

      Side note: If someone wanted to buy the parts for a full set of XL rigs form market the market would crash. Farming salvage is the only option for these.

      Side Note 2: Someone Put up an XL in Perimeter… Id bet we see more in high sec due to utility.

      December 12, 2016 at 6:03 PM
      • Rhivre Commander Aze

        There are two XLs near Jita now, and probably more on the way

        December 12, 2016 at 6:07 PM
        • Commander Aze Rhivre

          Im assuming super long term buy orders for salvage….

          December 12, 2016 at 6:22 PM
  • Rhivre

    I tend to agree with the title, and, there are public engineering complexes popping up all over the place, outsource the risk, and make a deal with one of the owners about rates 🙂

    December 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM